More thoughts on Doctor Who and Bad Wolf…

I’ve got one word for you: Daleks.
You don’t think the BBC went through all that hassle with Terry Nation’s family for just one episode, featuring just one Dalek?
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Could Adam be the young Davros character?… It would explain the initial problems with T Nation’s Estate

Has to be the daleks. The number 23 6 801 keeps popping up everywhere in the series and on the sites.
Season 23 – we are on now. Episode 6 – Dalek. 801 seconds – we first see the Dalek!
Added to this, we now know that the Daleks will appear in the episode Bad Wolf.
Without a doubt – it has to be the Daleks!

If anyone goes on the UNIT website, then you will know that the password has been changed. I know what the new password is! It is badwolf! I am trying to find out more…..

I have been reading the ideas regarding ëBad Wolfí with interest, and have an idea for you (not mine, unfortunately). In Dalek, the Doctor refers to the creator of the Daleks as a genius, shortly before Adam Mitchell declares himself a genius. You can probably see where I am going with this. By the time Adam leaves the Doctor and Rose, he has seen a Dalek, has had all manner of information passing through his mind regarding future technology, and perhaps most importantly, has a hole in his forehead in the same place that Davros has an eye. Has the Doctor inadvertently created Davros?î

Found this on TV TOME, which is a great site-
The viewers of the Bad Wolf channel on Satellite 5 seem to be shaping the events affecting the Doctor and Rose, apparantley having been filming the Doctor’s adventures since he left. Realizing this, the Doctor makes a return appearance to Satellite 5 and is forced to play the game ‘Bad Wolf’ in a ‘Big Brother’ style house with two other contestants. However only one contestant will leave the house alive. Elsewhere Rose takes part in The Weakest Link hosted by a robotic Anne Robinson with robotic contestants, whilst Captain Jack appears on What not to wear with a robotic Trinny and Susannah. Meanwhile Adam re-appears as an agent for the Doctor’s greatest enemies who intervene with plans of their own – the Daleks. This final battle has devastating consequences for the Doctor.

I have read around, and I like the idea of Adam being a young Davros (with the hole in his head!)
Can someone explain why some Dr Who fans dislike Davros, and why they’d prefer the emperor Dalek. Also, why would Davros cause problems with Terry Nations estate??

Given that we now know we’re going back to satellite 5 next week, that raises something I donít think Iíve heard anyone else mentionÖ
In the confidential that accompanied that episode, Rustle T Davis did mention that the presence of The Mighty Jagrafess of the Holy Hadrojassic Maxarodenfoe raises an interesting question – how did it get there? – He also said that this question would be answered.
My guess is that some entity has been controlling humanityís destiny since the very beginning (the Jagrafess being it’s latest agent) and that that entity is “bad wolf” – the reason that we have seen “bad wolf” references everywhere isn’t that the references are following the doctor, so much as they are all over earth (due to being engrained in human consciousness) – so the doctor can’t help but encounter them.
Remember that the only non-earth reference to “bad wolf” was when The Moxx of Balhoon tells the Face of Boe that being trapped on the exploding Platform One is “the classic Bad Wolf scenario…” – remember that everyone on platform one was a “earth buff” and that by the end of the world it is quite possible that the whole “bad wolf” thing has been exposed and dealt with, therefore common knowledge amongst earth-buffs.
Oh well, I guess we’ll know in a few days…

I have to say that being able to watch this show is alot of fun. I pray someone really picks it up here (in the US), but for now torrents will do.
First I’d like to address the original post. I’ll just put out a crazy theory. Could Mickey be the master? It’s just struck me as odd why they would keep him around. We have all the character background for Rose so we really don’t need to see Mickey anymore. Why is she still straining to have a relationship with him?
Secondly i like the Adam/Davros idea and it may pan out later, but i don’t think that’s the Bad Wolf reference.
Also love the Possession idea that has the doctors body being possessed by the Master and letting Christopher Eccleston stay on re-occuring maybe? I think his character is a brilliant doctor.
I have to say that i have found a fond love for the new series. Congratulations to the UK and the BBC for such a good remake of a classic.
I hope you are forwarding all this stuff to Mr. Davies.
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Re: Adam / Davros.
This _can’t_ be the “bad wolf” reference as Adam is in Rose’s timeline _afer_ Gwynneth saw the bad wolf in Rose’s head 🙂
Although I do like the theory as a something separate from the “bad wolf” references…

unit.org.uk – secure site, try buffalo, then key in BADWO , launch a missile

I’m entirely with you on the thought that the TARDIS does create the messages as warnings. Either the warnings are directed towards The Doctor and Rose or they are directed at the world, to warn them about the Doctor.
Like Clive says in episode 1, everywhere the Doctor pops up, he is loyally accompanied by death.
The theory that I and a friend of mine had come up with earlier included the master. But since I’ve seen that the ‘Bad Wolf’ episode will have Daleks on it (or is that just an illusion, part of the game the Doctor is forced to play?), so I guess this season we will not see the Master yet.

Adam could be Davros, as Davros was mutaded. This could have removed human DNA.

Just found this on the Bad Wolf site set up by the bbc. It was only visable if you high light the page went back to check it was gone..

It’s still there, it’s on the disclaimer page which you can access from the front page…

Yes Richard, but he was mutated, so maybe he lost some of his memory?

I think you all have it backwards, the Bad Wolf is The Doctor. There seems to be a theme in this series about good being relative, and certianly it is alluded that The Doctor might not have done the right thing during the time war.

perhaps bad wolf isn’t what it is but a clue like an anagram.
e.g. kaled = dalek.
bad wolf = ?

Have you ever thought that most of what Rose has worn throughout the series had been in red … Little Red Riding Hood perhaps? And that makes the wolf…

Found in:
http://www.clivebanks.co.uk/Badwolf.htm
Quote: Part 1 of a 2-part story; when the TARDIS transports its crew to a reality TV station the Doctor becomes trapped in a ‘Big Brother’-type show, Rose meets Anne Droid and discovers who is the Weakest Link, while Jack learns What Not To Wear from fashion gurus Trinny Woodall and Susannah Constantine.
Even though Rose has learnt a lot in a year, even she’s surprised when the one man she trusts isn’t who she thought he was…
This story will also explain all of this season’s ‘Bad Wolf’ sightings…
Also have heard a rumor that Paul Magann being in the last story? Not sure about that though…

P.S. No, Paul McGann will not be back. He can’t return as the Doctor for copyright reasons. On film and TV, his Doctor is jointly copyrighted to the BBC as well as several American consortiums with whom the 1996 film were made (though the other incarnations of the Doctor from the TV series are still copyrighted ot the BBC).
This is one of the main reasons why he didn’t come back in the first episode to do a regeneration scene. The BBC would have HAD to pay an arm and a leg just for five minutes of McGann.

Ok, the most recent ep, “Boom Town,” at least guarantees that we aren’t all fan-wanking over an in-joke. The Doctor is not an altogether terrible liar, but we fans can spot the difference. 😉
I find it highly feasible that the Doctor is either half-possessed by the Master, or that the TARDIS is half-possessed by the Master. I would not easily accept that the Eccleston character is (100%) the Master in disguise, and I say this based on his genuine concern for (most) life. The Master would more likely be working to help folks destroy Earth, and the presence of a pretty but primitive and insignificant human would be very unlikely to sway him toward even a convincing show of mercy. Just think, when he had Gwynneth alone in that dungeon he could have vented the gas and struck a secret pact with the Gelth to help them take over Earth in exchange for a favor…
However I would believe that the Doctor may be partly controlled or influenced by the Master because our newest Doctor has a flair for the slightly apathetic and even occasionally ruthless. (vis “Dalek,” Rose’s line, “What about you, Doctor, what the hell are you turning into?”)
A note about the many adventures “implied” in the first episode (Clive’s storehouse of photos of the 9th Doctor) … in Boom Town, while talking with Mickey, Rose discusses all kinds of adventures that we haven’t seen on TV.
Very importantly, this could imply that the TV show is not showing Rose’s adventures with the Doctor IN SEQUENCE. If the shows aren’t in sequence then who knows what Rose saw before Gwynneth read her mind.
Perhaps the most important clue I have for everybody is that we have to remember that “canon” “facts” stated by fictional characters in past episodes ARE NOT NECESSARILY TRUTHFUL STATEMENTS. For example, yes Davros says that he doesn’t believe in life on other planets, but it could have been a propaganda tactic, which would fit Davros’s iron grip of fear perfectly. And yes, Davros was allegedly a Kaled, but did anybody put him under a medical scanner to verify it? Much easier to control and slaughter a native species if you yourself aren’t a native… so maybe Adam is the Bad Wolf, and I strongly suspect that Adam will recurr as a villain, but on the other hand the “third eye” is an ancient symbol in our stories symbolizing wisdom or all-knowingness, and so it could just be a coincidence.
Speaking of lies, consider these few facts and observation from episode Dalek:
1. The Dalek was trapped far below the surface of the Earth and remained unmotivated until the Doctor arrived.
2. The Dalek falsified tender emotions so that Rose would touch it and allow it to absorb her DNA. The Dalek made special reference that it was time traveller DNA.
3. A Dalek would know that if it killed the Doctor and then escaped, the Doctor would regenerate and pursue – but if it could convince the Doctor that it had committed suicide as an act of honor, it could rejoin the Dalek fleet and notify them that the Doctor is active again…
The lyrics of the William Blake poem quoted above and recited on the Bad Wolf website seem to indicate the Master (if you don’t know why, watch the Doctor Who – The Enemy Within movie again. Jeeze, even the title to the movie seems to be a clue to the Master inhabiting… something!)
And lastly, someone above mentioned that Bad Wolf could be an anagram. I’ve observed that the new series’ intro goes from a blue timestream to a red one (if these are Doppler colors, that means a reversal of flow) and “Wolf” is “Flow” spelled backwards. The TARDIS was originally powered by energy from a black hole (“originally” meaning before Gallifrey was destroyed)… and in Doctor Who black holes lead to antimatter universes, so perhaps the TARDIS can see the future and has known all along exactly what the Bad Wolf is?
Getting exterminated by a Dalek blaster seems quite without intrigue, which would be extremely disappointing after all this Bad Wolf business and therefore I say unlikely.

Just a couple of notes:
on badwold.org.uk in the disclaimer page with the hidden message to Rose is also a link to a supposed computer company, if you link to it you see on their disclaimer page that it has been set up to tie in to the badwolf game, and if you look on the support page the first question asks about jumper settings, the settings are morse code for badwolf.
So nothing that tells us what is going to happen but if we keep searching we might just find more.

Just visited the Geocomtex site, reached from the badwolf.org disclaimer page. Amongst the items on their ‘Products’ page it says:
Node Stabilised (Lupus and Nocens variants)
LUPUS is Latin for WOLF
NOCENS (I believe) means GUILT (as in ‘nocent’, the opposite of ‘innocent’
Is there a connection with “stabilised nodes”?
On the ‘Support’ page —
“Q: Do I need a MX-TBL plug-in for the WTFLD Generator?
A: Only if you’re planning on feeding the flying pests.”
MX-TBL = Theodore Maxtible? Is this “the twist would please fans from the 60’s” ?
Finally the ‘Recruitment’ page reads, in part:
“Skilled? Motivated? Good at seeing the future? We’re always looking for people like you…”
Could the ‘seeing the future’ reference be someting to do with the Doctor-Watcher relationship?
Anyway these are my thoughts and findings, doubtless there are plenty more waiting out there. And of course all will be revealed in a few days!

On the products page of the Geocomtex site, the following products are listed:-
IE core chip transistors
Gravitic technology research
Bubble memory
Argentum Ordnance (6/9/32 piece packs)
Psychtronic – Electronic Interface hardware
Node Stabilised (Lupus and Nocens variants)
Ether beam sensing technology
Telebiogenesis
Reduced stature nebulalloy
Bonded polycarbon
Are they all that’s needed to make a Dalek?

I belive that the WATCHER is a time lord. The Doctor, The Master, The Watcher?

I did read it, and i’m not sayiing tha master will be in it, i am just saying The Watcher may be a time lord, and using the Master to show what the Time Lords name are like!

These are fascinating theories my freinds and I made some joke theories and some proper ones. here are the Jokes.
Bad Wolf is Brigadier Lethbridge Stewart
Yeti
and other weird and wacky things
Here is the other theory
Adam has travelled in time and has also downloaded 197,990 years of history crammed in his brain making it possible to create a time machine and travel to the future and become Davros.
The Watcher could be our 10th Doctor.
Bad Wolf possiblity of Mickey seeing his glare at the end of Boom Town suggests a level of evil in him and he has been inside the tardis a couple of times.
The Tardis being the wolf
A slytheen being a sheep in wolves clothing etc.
or our Doctor himself maybe perhaps he has a hidden agenda.
Though it would be great to be the Valyard marking the fact that the trial of the timelord was the first Doctor Who I saw and can remeber from memory.

Bonded polycarbon is what the casing of a Dalek is made of..
Heres a thought..Bad wolf that involved little pigs..where have we seen one of those latley? Another clue? And why dose the Doctor suddenly keep saying sorry to dead corpses? especialy when he’s not incolved with there death…or is he?

Re. Geocomtex site. If MX-TBL plug-in is Theodore Maxtible, then WTFLD Generator is Edward or Victoria Waterfield.

Well,

Unless the BBC are hiding it from us (which is possible), it doesn’t look like there is going to be an Adam, Master or Davros in the next episode.. The cast list on the BBC One listings comprises:

The Doctor …… Christopher Eccleston
Rose Tyler …… Billie Piper
Captain Jack …… John Barrowman
Voice of Anne Droid …… Anne Robinson
Voice of Davinadroid …… Davina McCall
Voice of Trine-e …… Trinny Woodall
Voice of Zu-Zana …… Susannah Constantine
Lynda …… Jo Joyner
Strood …… Jamie Bradley
Crosbie …… Abi Eniola
Rodrick …… Paterson Joseph
Floor Manager …… Jenna Russell
Male Programmer …… Jo Stone-Fewings
Female Programmer …… Nisha Nayar
Agorax …… Dominic Burgess
Fitch …… Karren Winchester
Colleen …… Kate Loustau
Broff …… Sebastian Armesto
Controller …… Martha Cope
Security Guard …… Sam Callis
Androids …… Alan Ruscoe, Paul Kasey
Dalek Operators …… Barnaby Edwards, Nicholas Pegg, David Hankinson
Dalek Voice …… Nicholas Briggs

The storyline with that is:
‘The Doctor, Rose and Captain Jack have to fight for their lives on board the Game Station. But a far more dangerous threat is lurking, just out of sight. The Doctor realises that the entire Human Race has been blinded to the threat on its doorstep, and Armageddon is fast approaching.’

So lets wait and see!

RTD refers to a charachter of “dalek lore” returning. States that BBW is not the Master or Fenric. In the last Dalek outing with Sylvestor Mcoy Davros escapes from the bridge of th Dalek mother ship before it explodes. So in theory he has been floating around earth since 1963. plus we know he has time corridor knowledge and create his own version of Daleks from humans i.e. no need for Skaro as seen in the Colin Baker Dalek episodes.
My money is on the Tardis or the Doctor’s future or past self as it needs to be relevant to the audience of today who’ve never heard of DAvros etc..I think the issue with the TN estate was over Davros as the reason he always popped up after Genesi was TN’s insitance that he had to

According to IMDB, Davros is credited in the second episode, but not the first. Given all the revelations in the first episode, there’s unlikely to be much time for Davros in the ‘Bad Wolf’ episode anyway.
I’m not convinced this is a good idea. Davros was absolutely riveting in ‘Genesis of the Daleks’, but in every story since then, he’s been presented as a rather lame caricature of himself, due to a combination of poor writing and poor makeup/voicing (an unmodified, posh English accent in ‘Destiny of the Daleks’, and Terry Molloy’s OTT one-note-screaming from thereon).
The only effective treatment of Davros since then has been in ‘Remembrance of the Daleks’, because we hardly saw him at all in that story. I hope something similar happens, or that if Davros gets much screen time, he’ll return to the thoughful, amoral genius of ‘Genesis’, instead of the blundering two-dimensional megalomaniac he’s been since then.

Well here’s part of my theory(s).
The episode “Bad Wolf” is a prequel 9i use the term loosly) to the 60’s episode “The Dalek Invasion of Earth”. Thats where the speculation that 60’s fans are going to love it. Also note that the interior of the ships looks much like that of the old Peter Cushing Dr Who movies (based on the episodes of the same name). Please also note, that the dalek in the episode “Dalek” also looked alot more like the Daleks from the PC movies then the ones from the original series, the lights on the dome re a perfect example of my point here.
It is also possible (however unlikely…this is more a joke theroy) that the Bad Wolf is the sonic screw driver. We know there are other sonic devies in the universe (as demonstrated by captain jack and his Sonic Blaster). We also know (or at least have been hinted towards) that the Doctor made his Sonic Screwdriver. His love for his little toy causes him to use it all the time, to brake bars, bend metal, blow up walls…and yes..ONCE he even used it as a screw dirver. One big theme in Dr Who is how fragile the time line is, and even the smallest thing can change the time line for ever, for bad or good.
I have more extended versions on these theorys and more other theroys lie perhaps Bad Wolf is a Rupert Murdoch type tycoon (like VanStatten tried to be), but this post is getting to long now so I wont go into them YET.

Hi There
Has anyone considered that Bad Wolf might be an anagram?……

Just did anyone notice Micky refering to the Dr as ‘Big Ears’ in episode 11?

The last paragraph before the hidden message at http://badwolf.org.uk might meen more than we think.The line ” ….the universe has been irrevocably altered by an enormous experiment…”
This could meen the Time War..It started as an experiment that went wrong? Could it be that the doctor and rose are the white mice or that (ala D Adams) the mice are the ones controling it but in the subconscious..shareing a dream still on Satellite 5 perhaps?

Its adam.
look at the GeoComtex website referenced on the bad wolf site. He used his knowledge gained to set up GeoComtex that became satalite 500.
He knew of the daleks…knows the future and has an official webite from the BBC set up for him. (his boss was van statton!)
Adam is bad wolf!

I thought that Skaro was not destroyed as seen in The Doctor Who movie with the cheap dalek voices inside.
I can easily see Adam Becoming Davros however we do have someone else credited as Davros which is kind of contradicting to these theories.
I know they could bring back empty child again and have Daleks going ‘ARE YOU MY MUMMY EXTERMINATE EXTERMINATE !!!!!!!’

all good theories but take badwolf.org.uk clues from the disclaimer and the bad wold pars on th episodes 2-11 was there a mention of bad wolf anywhere in episode 1 the answer might lie there or between the 1996 movie and now?
and while i’m here wasnt there a pilot between 1996 – 2003 it aired once on bbc1 andit wasnt the movie?

What interests me about the hidden message on the Disclaimer page is that it’s not aimed at the Doctor but at Rose. To me this suggests that all the bad wolf references are an attempt to tell Rose something – not to tell the Doctor something. This seems to support the idea that Rose is going to learn something unpleasant about the Doc…as for who it is trying to contact her… ??

Here is a new clue to put you all on track, The doctor puts a message on badwolf.org.uk for rose, doesnt the big bad wolf go for little red ridein hood?
“Grandma, what big eyes you have!”
“All the better to see you with, my dear.”
“What big ears you have!”
“All the better to hear you with.”
“But Grandma, what big teeth you have!”
“All the better to EAT you with!!”
The bad wolf is the somthing to do with the TARDIS and the Doctor has unfinished bussiness. i.e. The Master was sucked up by the TARDIS but nothing happended but the Salvine was given a new chance at life. Rose is little red ridein hood, The Doctor Is Granma, And Jack is the hero who rescues rose but the doctor dies (that is the regeneration point at the end of the parting of our ways part 1)
And the time war continues because what the doctor did was reversed. Some how I dont know? Maybe this is the doctors extemination that answers that.

Here’s an idea that is totally improbable
What if the Doctor regenerates at the end of the final episode. We see CEís face morph into – Richard E. Grant who smiles and then final credits roll. David Tennant will have been a smoke screen. Now that would be exciting.

Anybody remember last weeks episode? What was all the writing about at the very end? Does anybody think it is connected in anyway?

Just to remind everybody that the Davros thing on IMDB was a hoax. http://observationdome.ofla.info/ shows that some guy put it there as a joke. He’s a Red Dwarf fan and put that the actor who played Holly in Red Dwarf would be playing Davros. So don’t take the IMDB details as potential clues.

How can he destroy her if she’s in the next series?

Yeah, that might be it!

In The Unquiet Dead Gwyneth the parlour maid looks into Rose’s mind and sees “The Big Bad Wolf”.
This means the wolf must be seen in one of the first two episodes or is the Tardis. She ewasn’t frightened of the doctor so it might not be him..unless he’s under the influence of another?
If the doctor and rose are being watched by Bad Wolf TV i would think it’s been from the Start of the series or even before..
what about this..taken from badwolf. org :
“weargwulf”, or Werewolf is Anglo Saxon. “Wearg” is a curious word, meaning either “criminal” or “cursed one”.
The doctor could be called cursed?
In the GeoComtex site ther following list is mentioned:
“IE core chip transistors” (International Electromatics in The Invasion), “bubble memory” (Logopolis), “Ether beam sensing technology” (Genesis of the Daleks) and “bonded polycarbon” (Remembrance of the Daleks). The support page has a question that asks whether a “MX-TBL plug-in” is needed for the “WTFLD Generator” ó a reference to the characters of Maxtible and Waterfield in The Evil of the Daleks ó and refers to a “finklegruber”, a Gallifreyan tool mentioned in The Invasion of Time and the Virgin Missing Adventures novel The Well-Mannered War by Gareth Roberts.
This by the looks of it is aa red herring.
Bad wolf site make sense to be set up because of the liks as does the aforementioned GeoComtex site.
But why the unit one? they arnt very prominant in world war three.And why the ‘buffalo bomb ? It dosent seem to do much? Could this be a rd herring as well?
Any Ideas?

I def think the dr’s the bad wolf there have been so many hints to it.
He chases a pig in ep 4 he kept tracking rose down in ep one when she was wearing a red hoody like little red riding hood and nancy did the whole “What big ears you have.” thing in empty child.
He has to be the wolf then there’s the william blake poem you can hear on the badwolf.org.uk site.
ìThe Sick Roseî
ìO Rose thou art sick
The invisible worm
That flies in the night
In the howling storm
Has found out thy
Bed of crimson joy
And his dark secret love
Does they life destroy.î
Could the secret love be the dr’s love for rose? would explian why in all the episodes they’ve wanted that relationship to come across and the way he was watching her in boom town when mickey was around. He’s really possessive of her like he owns her or something.

Yo, you are all so totally wrong dudes, I AM BADWOLF!!! FEAR ME!!!

I am a bit of a Doc. Who Newbie ^_^: So I am curious about the poem, how is it related to the master? And where on the Bad Wolf site does it give his M.O and last location?
COuldnt the poem be refering to Rose…?

Me again…
Every one seems to be missing one vital point…i keep seeing things like “Rose klls the doctor” or “The Doctor will betray Rose” It has been confirmed the Rose will appear in a number of episodes during the next season, so if the Doctor tries to till Rose. Why in gods name would she hang around??
Just a thought

Whos the doctors companion “death” remember Clive (dealy departed now) had info he had the answer, I know now the answer to the story BBC Wales knew if they didnt film mulipul endings then the answer whould be here now. STOP SPECULATING and watch the dam show on saturday
(I feel sorry to the non-uk viewers as the answer will be here as of 7.45 bst and will have to torrent the episode to watch it hopefully if the US viewers put up a stink they might get it on there TV at the same time as uk viewers on there BBC America channel if not why dont pester the BBC to steam it live on the net via HDTV PPV via UPN for the next series, whould be worth $30 at least)
I support the abloshment of the TV Lincence and replace it with a Pay channel System for premium Channels Like BB1 THREE and leaving BBC2 BBC4 FREE FROM SUBSCRIPTION just with ads betwwen programs ie 5 mins bettween programs could advertise Soap Powder, and tea bags

Here’s my pick.
Doc is the wolf.
He’s known it for a long time.
He knows something is watching him.
My main guess is that Adam is responsible for the ‘Bad Wolf’. It’s his name for the Doctor. I think Adam is now in charge of geocomtex. I think it’s possible that Adam is the re-creator of the Daleks but there’s something else going on. Not sure if he is the new davros or not. Strong possibility. I think Capt Jack is an agent of the Daleks also, but wouldn’t it be weird if he is Adam? Moxx’s reference to the ‘Bad Wolf Scenario’ is the Dalek invasion. Adam has had a thing for Rose since they met. I think he really hates the Doctor. And why does the Doctor always call Mickey, Ricky? He knows something… Maybe he relased that Viurus on the net, and GeoComtex owns it and used it to get info on the Doctor.
Whatever happens, I can’t wait to see it. I haven’t had this much fun watching TV since the Tom Baker years.

I was really confused as to what you all meant when you were mentioning all that writing at the end of Boom Town.
I was looking at it with my Cardiff eyes – if you mean
“In these stones horizons sing” and the gobbledigook to the left of it – that’s the back of the Welsh National Opera House or the Millennium Centre as it’s also known. Unless RTD did some serious planning for this Dr Who I think that was just a nod to the future of Wales and a bit of Welsh pride on RTD’s behalf. The lingering shot wasn’t meant for the Doc’s storyline.

yeah or the Council said if you don’t promote the Bay and it’s star feaure you can’t put your little blue box on the floor!
Quite like the thought though.

I think that Adam is the creator of the new version of the daleks because wen he left Satelite 5 he took hame 200,000 years of knowledge with him. I also think Badwolf is the master strongly!!!!!

I think Bad Wolf is a Dalek leader as the only episode called Bad Wolf has Daleks in it.
I mightr write back after i’ve watched the episode though!

I like the idea of Adam being Davros- but isn’t Davros an alien?

The link to the Dr Who website from the Badwolf site (and possibly the normal Dr Who links from the bbc site…) now takes you to a “Badwolf TV” frontpage with links to the usual Dr Who pages.
Looks like “Bad Wolf” is a TV channel after all..

I think the Doctor knows who/what the Bad Wolf is- check the Fear Factor, and you’ll see it says ”The Doctor is warning someone through the camera.” I think I’ll die of shock once the Bad Wolf is revealed.

IMBD says that Kevin Eldon is Bad Wolf. TYpe in his name on Google and look at the imagies..Give him a beard and he could make a good Master…

WHO ARE YOU…?
I’ve been reading all this and i just think that we will know..at around 7.40 tomorrow…what a cliff hanger.
IT’S ME NOT YOU…DO YOU UNDERSTAND?

also see borogrove tripod site try left click dragging right down the page. now read the poem mentioned in paragraph 1.
not a big big who fan but enjoying the series and hope this might make more sense to some of you.
cheers

Other in-jokes from the GeoComtex site:
Argentum Ordnance = Silver Bullets
Also a “League of Gentlemen” reference perhaps out of respect to Mark Gatiss, one of the League who is also a Dr Who writer:
“Q: My Tubbs just doesn’t work like it used to. How do I reset it?
A: Enter code 12-T.”
Tubbs being the hideous female owner of the Local Shop whose counting skills lead her to define any large quantity as “twelvety.”

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Hello everyone. Im new here and i just had a really far fetched idea. I think it might help explain who Bad Wolf is, or it may just be coincidence.
I was fiddling around with the letters BAD WOLF and decided to convert into numbers So A=1, B=2 up until Z=26.
This left B=2, A=1, D=4, W=23, O=15, L=12 and F=6.
When put together it gives us 214 2315126.
Well i was thinking this could be used in a similar way in which the number 23 6 801 was used above only this time we have:
21=Season 21 (1984)
4=Story 4 (Resurrection of the Daleks)
23= 23 minutes into the episode
15= 15 seconds into the episode
12 = Could be 12 milliseconds into the episode
If i remember rightly, at this stage of Resurrection of the Daleks we are a few moments away from the cliffhanger, at the point where Lytton releases…………DAVROS from his prison.
This leaves the number 6 outstanding, but DAVROS is spelt with 6 letters so maybe that is what the number 6 represents?
After typing this i realise how stupid it sounds, what are your opinions?

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We have lift off…. ENJOY

BUT IS IT

I told you it wan’t The Master.
And for those of you who still imagine he’ll make some deus ex machina appearance next week, he won’t. Get over it.

definitely not the Master, although Adam is still a possibility. Derrick, the Weakest Link contestant said the name of Bad Wolf TV was from an old nursery rhyme, amybe Who’s Afraid of the Big Bad Wolf? Who of course being the Doctor, in which case the bad wolf is the Daleks are the bad wolf, as we’ve seen in the episode. Equally, could be the other way round…
Oooh, im so excited!!!

I asked the Beeb to do that but they said no.

Doctor will die next week and Christopher Eccleston will make a brief appearance in the Christmas Special somehow before we are introduced to that Casanova guy – David whatshisface.

Thanks, btw I checked the guest appearance list on IMDB and Laura Frazer is credited as The Tardis Voice on next weeks episode.

Wish it was this time next week then we can all go out again on a saturday night.. that is unless they repeat the series

If the voice in the trailer claiming responsibility is the Tardis’, that has interesting implications.
Could it be the Tardis that has kept the Daleks alive?
It’s not Davros’ voice, and it seems unlikely that he’ll be in this last episode. But it could be the Dalek Emperor.
It’s unlikely to be Adam. He’d have been brought into the ‘Bad Wolf’ episode earlier. I doubt he had a role in ‘recreating’ a ‘new’ race of Daleks. Remember, the trailer of episode 13 had a question about how person X helped the Daleks survive the Time War. The Daleks haven’t been wiped out and born again from scratch (with or without Adam’s help), they survived. And there’s no reason to throw Adam into the plot as well.

Can someone post the plot/gist of the penultimate episode?
I missed it!!!!!!!!!!
No-ones put a full write-up of the episode on the web yet…

that episode was easily the best yet. It was not the master or most of the others, i think it was eather adam, davros or the dalek emperor…

It’s not fair, I watched every episode of this series except one, I missed it cus i was out. Long game, which, it seems, is possibly one of, if not, the most important episode until Bad Wolf.

The TARDIS is the Bad Wolf.
Remember in that episode where the TARDIS was gratified with the words ‘Bad Wolf’ but The Doctor made that kid remove the graffiti?
I think that the TARDIS was merely being labelled with its name and the TARDIS itself will confirm this when it speaks next week.

Just a thought, but people have mentioned the Master isn’t on the cast list. True, but the TARDIS is. Some people have thought that the Master could be in/part of the Tardis… he/she/it could be the voice.
As for next weeks ep… who says’s we’ll find out? It’d make a perfect hook for next season “what is bad wolf”

Whats eveyones view on the next episode? If the Dalek ships are meerly a fleet, then surely they must now have a new home or base – therefore prolonging there involvement in the new series beyond the next episode? I dont fully understand what happened with the Terry Nation Estate, but i for one would love to see the Daleks remain a perminent fixture in Dr Who – all be it by using them sparingly as too much repetition would devalue there appearances. Does anybody know if they are to remain or are they to be written out? I know nothing is certain, due to the nature of the series (time travel etc), but it would be a huge shame if the Daleks are wiped out for good. What does everyone think? Also, love the new series but hate the format – 45 mins a week is hardly enough to develop good stories. With the series really taking off hope the BBC can look into this! One last thing – how is this series going to end? Hopefully the Daleks will come out of it in a way which enables them to return next season. Any ideas? The regeneration will be interesting also.

Well Folks,
From what I can see and theory ‘the daleks were recreated using humans, zapped out of game shows to create those daleks’.. I cant see it being the voice of the tardis that was speaking.
More like Davros had either entered the tardis or had been hidden somwhere in there for a long time, for all of you older folks, will remember – the tardis had corridors and extra rooms, just sometimes the budget didn’t cover the extra sets.
In the past there has been two or three voices/actors of davros. This one suprises me.
(Hopefully this next bit of formatting works)
Read/Highlight below:
The voice of Davros is Norman Lovett arcoding to tvtome.com. Who was also the voice of Holly in Red Dwarf for the first few and latest of the series’, i dont doubt this as his profile also tells us he is in the new Red Dwarf movie, which there was some talks about that not happening. But he has been cast for it (unless they lie). Listening to that voice i can kind of hear him in there somewhere.. The voice also sounded deep enough to be Davros. Bare that in mind.
Thats it for me, for now.. Will post back soon, I would have checked the numbers theory out, but its 3 in the morn and i dont wanna go routin through my old boxes of tapes..

Earth is at war with the Daleks and they invade the Game Station. The Doctor discovers that the Daleks were saved from the Time War by Davros, their creator. But this final battle has devastating consequences for the Doctor.
Found that on TV TOME!

and davros is Norman Lovett other wise known as holygram in red dwarf

If you can get hold of a copy of the audio version of ‘Evil of the Daleks’ and Bid Finnish ‘The Mutant Phase’ the voice sounds exactly like the emporer Dalek which would also tie in with RTD saying about ” the twist would please fans from the 60’s as well as the present..” Ties in perfectly.
Also the Norman Lovett/Davros casting has already been stated as a fake..jeez you guy’s..look at what people have said before making these comments..

Try putting ‘The Parting of the Ways’ into a site search..very interesting..This phrase is used to talk about the Jewish christan relasions by Anne Amos. She talks about a council (war council?) by Emperor Constantine(note: Emperor)to settle some theological differences that were dividing his Christian Empire(Dalek Empire?).
They do say what comes around goes around..
Parting of the waves is also a song by the Carpenters. The lyrics are intresting and go like this:
Where has it gone?
The love we shared?
The love I live for is no longer there
If God only planned it to last all our days
There never would have been a parting of our ways
Love was so bright, then you went away
My days were sunny; now they are gray
If God only planned it to last all our days
There never would have been a parting of our ways
I hope and pray that he’ll return to me
Forever since he’s been gone, I’ve been in misery
I hope someday he’ll come up to my door,
Saying he’s sorry he’ll leave no more
My love is gone now; it didn’t last
Who was my future now is my past
If God only planned it to last all our days
There never would have been,
Never would have been now,
Never would have been a parting of our ways
WHO could the be talking about?

nope davros did not die at the end of rememberance, if you look closely at the dalek mothership, right before the hand of omega smashes into it, you can see a little tiny dot shoot out the bottom of the ship!
hence y he could be returning ……….

Fools! Billie told me(before she dumped me…*sob*)that bad wolf is no other than the almighty genius that is mickey!!

If you go to the latest BBC Dr Who page and look at the contestants particulars, when you look at Captain Jack’s details, his favourite Crisps are ‘Smokey Bacon’.
Just thought I’d throw that in there.

Just found something interesting when following the werewolf link on the bad wolf site (www.badwolf.org.uk)
if you read down all the information you get to this:
The Hittite says this:
If anyone abducts a woman and if those who go after/behind, three persons or two persons, are killed, there will be no compensation. You have become a wolf. UR-BAR-RA.
I thought this was really interesting as it’s almost exactly describing Rose’s situation at the moment. Any thoughts as too its significance?

“Who is bad wolf”, could this be a clue meaning, Who, is bad wolf, dr who is bad wolf, “who” being the doctors second name|???

In Bad wolf the doctor admitted he had caused the distruction of earth as it was after sorting out events on satellite 5,. This means he is Bad wolf!

THE SKIES from black to pearly grey
Had veered without a star or sun;
Only a burning opal ray
Fell on your brow when all was done.
Aye, after victory, the crown;
Yet through the fight no word of cheer;
And what would win and what go down
No word could help, no light make clear.
A thousand ages onward led
Their joys and sorrows to that hour;
No wisdom weighed, no word was said,
For only what we were had power.
There was no tender leaning there
Of brow to brow in loving mood;
For we were rapt apart, and were
In elemental solitude.
We knew not in redeeming day
whether our spirits would be found
Floating along the starry way,
Or in the earthly vapours drowned.
Brought by the sunrise-coloured flame
To earth, uncertain yet, the while
I looked at you, there slowly came,
Noble and sisterly, your smile.
We bade adieu to love the old;
We heard another lover then,
Whose forms are myriad and untold,
Sigh to us from the hearts of men.
That was a poem by some guy.

The Poem above is by George William Russell… called parting of the wave.
This means what? William Russell aka Ian Chesterton ! Could he have been tteleported by the Daleks to become there new leader? Worth thinking about…

At Last a breakthrough….
The tardis will have a voice and it will be the little known ACTRESS Laura Frazer. She has been contracted to star in all but one of next series!!!! and she is in next weeks final episode!
This is fully legit information. I have an insider from somewhere they shouldnt be. I will keep in touch with more information as I get it.

YES SHE IS AND YES IT DOES MEAN WHAT YOU THINK IT MEANS…
That answers the who or what is Bad Wolf…She got the part because of ideas used/taken from her book..She cant write a screenplay to save her life but boy did she write a book and that is where rtd got the concept for Bad Wolf!!
David Tennent is going to start in stripes then I guess AND I knew Clive/Colin was in episode 1 for a reason i.e everywhere the doctor goes death follows him ect ect…Nice to see we cracked it at last!
Oh and for anyone who doesnt know her…
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1602461/
This is all you will need to know to get the answers that you require!
CARTER FOLLOWS—AND IS ALWAYS THERE…
CARTER

Bad Wolf is the Face Of Boe … none other than Davros in disguise. When Gwynneth said that Rose had seen the Big Bad Wolf in Episode 3 she was referring to the FOB in Episode 2.
All of the other suspects (Micky, Adam, etc) are just pawns, although extremely instrumental in the unfolding of the “Long Game”, and the ‘last’ Dalek was a plant to obtain the DNA of a human time-traveller and to convince the Doctor that the Daleks were truly finished.

Dave, they’re on the Dalek ship if you look closely enough.
(You didn’t record it? D’oh!!!)

what the hell happens in the italian affair that is so inportant to doctor who??????????????????

It’s probably Mickey, OK?
ps. Interesting to hear Broadcasting House. Is Fi Glover as nice as she sounds?

Laura Fraser is a good actress. She was in First night(blayed the black smith) for thoses who might have seen it.
Shes also scottish so this might explain David Tennent’s accent if he uses it?
FOB in charge of the daleks? Another red herring i think or some one who may appear in the next series… Could be the Cyber controler for all we know..and theres something about the autons that dosn’t feel right…that first episode went to quickly and you couldn’t here what the nesten intelligence was saying bar Time Lord near the end…

Could this Laura Fraser be the Rani…she’s a genetasist..who else could re-create the Daleks?

Been reading all your comments, and i reckon if you are right or wrong, you should all get yourselves down to the beeb and tell them you lot want to write the next series. The imagination is unbelieveable. Well Done

Whoís afraid of the big bad wolf? or rather as a statement;
Who is afraid of the big bad wolf. So all you have to ask is who The Doctor afraid of ?

i think that it is davros cos think the darleks are in it and nearley every were they are so is davros and at the end of ep12 onto the preiveiw it shows the doctor saying how did the darleks survive it says they survived through me this sounds alot like davros and plus hes on the darlek ship with the doctor

Why do people bum off TV Tome? Do you really count this as a reliable source?

Well i know that davros s back cause
a) it sounds like him at end of Bad wolf
b) He is on the credits listing
but didn’t the daleks kill davros and put him in prison before that?

I think we can forget about Adam making use of future technology. As the Doctor tells Rose & Adam in The Long Game, as soon as the port in Cathica’s forehead closed she would forget everything – the brain is simply a processor. Why should Adam be different, and if he found that he could remember all of the information that he was tapping into then why did he need to record it in the past?
Here’s the real deal …
The Face Of Boe has cropped up several times, unnecessarily really, unless you look deeper …
Rose sees the FOB in Episode 2 and therefore could be the Big Bad Wolf that Gwynneth refers to in Episode 3.
FOB appears again in the Long Game, which is closely tied to the current story, when it appears on BadWolf TV. Why? – so that a character that is integral to the overall plot is not simply forgotten after Episode 2, and to establish a link between FOB & Bad Wolf.
FOB is also the subject of one of Rose’s questions in the Weakest Link. Why – once again to remind us of the character and link it in with the story as we are getting closer to the grand finale.
Open your eyes, everyone … the FOB sits on a very large mobile base and is big enough to hide Davros.
And if that isn’t enough, in End Of The World, the FOB is introduced by the steward, significantly I believe, as “THE SPONSOR OF THE MAIN EVENT”. 🙂
You heard it here first (perhaps).

The Brigadier? Of course it is. Now get back to watching your Trek videos.

Yeah, im pretty convinced the Face Of Boe has something to do with this again – there is no need for FOB to constantly appear, even if it is briefly. However, the only idea i can take on board is that of the FOB hiding Davros, or hiding someone else… The FOB is described as the oldest life form in existance..i thought only Time Lords could in theory live forever. Maybe the Master does have a part to play, although i did write his involvement off long ago. Davros looks more obvious though – hidden in the FOB as a disguise.

When I meant last… I meant latest one..
… sorry

Maybe, but we’ll all have to wait and see come this Saturday night…
… I’m more anxious than ever to see the final outcome!

But neither Adam or Mickey are a Kaled, so they cant be Davros(unless the scriptpeople “forget” this)

Regardless of what happens in next weeks finale, what does everyone suspect will happen to the Daleks?
Will they become officially extinct or will the door be left open for Dalek stories in the future?
Surely it would be a waste to write them out entirly as why should Russell T Davies limit his options for the future. What does everyone think would make a fitting end to this series whilst closing with an air of mystery/anticipation/questions unanswered? your thoughts please

Sorry bad pun..but it had to be said!

So no one have any ideas on my thread above??

Nice one Big Wolf..got a point there…
Sam.. the daleks live on..they will survive..and take there rightfull place as the supreme power in the Univers…
Or they will be back…but not just yet. Perhaps in a war with the Cybermen..Now that i would pay to see….
Anyway i’ll have a think about it sam..
Deamack

Robbie… you have just ruined this “Blog thing” with that comment. Please go home and actually WATCH the TV show!

cuz it cant b rose

Soz about the bad spelling and grammer on my last post but it down to lack of sleep and me being a lazy sod

I’m only mesing with ya Robbie! Your entitled to your own views.
I never thought that the script for the new series would end like this and amount a lot of speculation and suspense. This never happened with Tom Baker or Sylvester McCoy!
Its sad to see Chris leave.. but the 10th Doctor looks just as good. Also said to see Billy leave as well in the middle of Series Two, but I read that Mickey also returns in Series Two meaning that the Bad Wolf musnt be him as we would all expect the villain to die come this Saturday.
I’m still going with Adam as it all seems to fit together… also, the Victorian women who could read minds said that Rose had already met the Bad Wolf (or summat like that), that could mean in the future!
Its just that Adam was on Satilite 5 in the previous episode and the information he gained was info on the Empire, hence he could have stalled it in last week’s episode.
Then again… as I was writing this I had a Brain Wave! (And it hurt, too!)
When Adam alreay came to Satilite 5, the Empire was already crumbling or stalling so it couldnt be him.
I don’t think its Mickey or Rose’s mum, either!
I dunno now… I’ve completly lost my opinion now. Damn! I’m all confused!!!

wat website was it ?

Robbie – the Bad Wolf website, linked from the BBC Doctor Who page, on the disclaimer page, highlight it and there’s a message.
It’s either Adam or Mickey, the message is directed at Rose. Also, Jackie and Miceky are credited in the last episode, so maybe it is Mickey. And the voice on the trailer says the Daleks ‘survived through me’. That doesn’t necessarily mean they survived the Time War and neither does it exclude the possibility that it’s a new version of the Daleks recreated by someone else. For a start, we dont know if the Dalek in episode 6 actually self destructed, ‘he’ could have rebuilt the Dalek race. And what about Jack Harkness and his missing memory? He clearly plays a big part, he was cast before filming even started on the series.
So many questions…

Here’s another angle – literally …
If you carefully watch next week’s trailer again, when that voice speaks at the end, the Doctor turns around and looks UPWARDS at a taller being, whereas he would look DOWNWARDS if it were Davros. The angle of his glance might suggest the presence of the Emperor Dalek after all.
Perhaps the ‘Last’ Dalek was really the very last of them, and had teleported itself away somewhere (somehow) to become the creator of a new race of Daleks (getting itself rehoused in Emperor casing in the process).
That would support RTD’s comments about pleasing fans of 60’s Dr Who.

On bad wolf website – the sound played – contains the melody of Ring a Ring of Roses which I belive is a child’s song about the plague in London.
And has anyone else noticed there is a recurring theme of female sacrifices in this series – and no I am not hinting at a possible end for Rose, I just wanted to add a thought to the mix.

shhh!, the melody played is ‘whos afraid of the big bad wolf’ not a ring a ring of roses.

This is a big spoler so if u dont want to know dont go to this link
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v83/Kasterborous/Others/12strip.jpg
“That image was ripped from the BBC website. It’s not there any longer, but it was pre-loaded up until some of us intrepid fans found out that we could get access to all these spoilers if we just read the website’s source code. It’s the banner for episode 12, “Bad Wolf””

Ok so on the http://www.badwolf.co.uk website there is a link to the unit website, so I managed to access the HTM code and gained all the passwords for the website and here they are :
badwolf
buffalo
buffallo
I havent checked em out yet though
http://www.unit.org.uk/

It gives quite a bit away. It shows Adam will retun in the final episode – until now this hadn’t been confirmed. Just loadsa unconfirmed rumours – either denying or saying he is in the episode
It shows that he will be using his ‘Third eye’, which makes sense as it ties up a huge loose end from the earlier episode

Davros backwards is sorvad- taking both parts of the word separatly ad the first 2 letters of “Adam” ros are the first 3 letters of rose the v left over…
i checked out the unit site, its good stuff

i just found on the doctor who website on the bbc and they r doin a teaser each day.

So to summarise all the theories into a Unified Theory of Time & Space, Bad Wolf is actually Davros who is actually Adam Mitchell who the character played by Christopher Eccleston dropped back in 2012 with 200,000AD technology and a computer chip the size and shape of Davros’ third eye in the middle of his forehead. The centre of the Tardis contains the memories of all the dead Time Lords (the Matrix) and it is these that have been trying to warn Rose Tyler (whose name roughly translates as Red – Riding – Hood) by leaving Big Bad Wolf clues through time. The character played by Christopher Eccleston is the Master who has been working with the Daleks all along, creating Davros, shutting down the news output on Satellite Five, etc. In hiding his links with Davros behind pretending to be The Doctor, Ecclestone’s character is effectively the wolf hiding in grandmother’s clothes and bed (the TARDIS). Red Hiding Hood Rose will eventually discover this with help from the woodcutter. The woodcutter in this instance is Captain Jack who is actually the Doctor but doesn’t realise it himself as Van Stratten used the Geocomtex technology referred to in episode six to wipe two years of Jack/The Doctor’s memories, replacing them with a fabricated knowledge of himself as a renegade Time Agent (there is no such thing). Simple when you piece it together really.

Come to think about it…RTD keeps saying it’s all about sex. Forgetting all the clever Dr Historical theory stuff, the best drama always comes from a spurned lover. Who this is however may be more to do with RTD’s mind. Think he once said he always wanted to be an Assistant…

sorry i just read it it sounds stupid

The Dalek Emperor has just become much more likely to be featured.
Visit the BBC Doctor Who website, they’re now screening daily spoliers. The same deep mechanical voice that said “They survived through me” is now saying “I am the God of all Daleks” with Daleks chorusing “Worship him! Worship him!”
Note that the Doctor looks up at the voice, so it must be very tall. I’m assuming it’s some kind of ‘Evil of the Daleks’-type Emperor, which was certainly like a giant, stationary dalek fixed in place.

Yes robbie, the UNIT website is fake, set up by the Beeb like the “who is docter who?” and the Badwolf site

DEATH COMES TO TIME!!!!
Here’s something interesting points regarding the casting of Kevin Eldon as Bad Wolf – if the cast list above is to be believed.
* Kevin Eldon appears in many BBC comedies, including Big Train which also starred fellow Dr Who actor Simon Pegg!
However, here’s the interesting bit about Kevin Eldon’s previous appearance in a Dr Who episode. In fact, perhaps significantly, he appeared in the pilot episode for the new BBC series, one that appeared on BBCi and entitled “Death Comes To Time”. The episode concerned warnings to the Doctor that timelords were being killed. At the end of the episode the Doctors dies himself – he doesn’t regenerate, he actually dies! All a bit odd but the story was rewritten a few times, and the whole purpose was to get it to a TV audience. Now the other bit is that Kevin Eldon played Antimony, a new assistant of the Doctors, who is blue-skinned and an Android. He apparently “appears” in the Tardis and is revealed to have been created by the Doctor who is fed up of being 900 years old and seeing his other companions dying. Thus Antimony is created and is as close to a “son” of the Doctor as possible. However, he is killed by another Timelord (despite the fact he was built not to!). I’ve never heard the story but there are similarities, I believe, to the current storyline.
I’m not saying that Antimony will return as the son of the Doctor – I think its too far fetched and would only appeal to die-hard nerds who know every possible Dr Who detail. However, I DO think that potentially this guy Kevin Eldon (and I havent had concrete proof he IS in the final episode…I’m going on what is written above and on some other sites I’ve seen) could be a larger part in the story. If anybody has ever seen a picture of him, he bears a striking resemblance, accidental or not, to The Master. May just be a coincidence, and I’d pretty much convinced myself The Master would not appear again, but believe me he looks like him!
One other nerdy-type note is that in the first episode “Rose” the enemies were The Autons. I may have totally missed it – sorry if I did – but who were they in league with? What I mean is that in the original Autons appearance (the 60s?) they were controlled by somebody. That was the whole point of them, they were puppets.
Also, what was this about UNIT? As UNIT also appeared in Death Comes To Time.
AND…the BBC website now has the tagline “Time Is Up”…sounds very similar to “Death Comes To Time”.
All just adding to the rumours I’m sure….but I thought the links were interesting!!

Tim, the Autons are controlled by the Nestene Consciousness as they were in the 60’s also!
As for kevin Eldon, i believe its just another hoax. Death Comes To Time was a spin off, and was mainly produced with hopes of doing many more like it over the internet. when produced there was no idea that a New TV series was to be produced, so i doubt it has any significance.

You know in the final episode they wont reveal who bad wolf is, then axe Dr Who again and we will all have to wait 15 years till the do a new 1 and reveal bad wolf 🙂

Tv tome has been updated! Now it says….
“Earth is at war with the Daleks and they invade the Game Station. The Doctor discovers that the Daleks were saved from the Time War by the Emperor Dalek. But this final battle has devastating consequences for the Doctor…. ”
“The Doctor: I’m dead or am about to die any second with no chance of escape.
Emperor Dalek: (of the Daleks) They survived through me!
Emperor Dalek: I am the god of all Daleks!
Daleks:(of the Emperor Dalek) Worship him! Worship him!”

http://www.badwolf.org.uk has been updated. The disclaimer message now reads:
Rose – Are you there? Are you getting this? You’ve got the point, haven’t you? Rose…?
We know it is now definitely pointed at Rose. But who is it? If anyone has any other messages that were hidden, let us know, and we might be able to put them in order and actually make a message! They obviously have something to do with bad wolf, or they wouldn’t be on the badwolf site. Although, they can’t give too much away on the internet, as it wouldn’t be fair on non-pc people, cos they would never know the secret of Bad Wolf, would they? It’s probably just extra info to help us on the way!

What if something esle was inside the Tardis like the heart of the tardis, that being held captive by what esle is in there, and so the heart of the tardis is warning the doctor rose. A stupid thought but anything can be possible.
We’ll find out the truth soon enough.
NO DOCTOR WHO GONNA DIE!!:'( WONT BE THE SAME WITH OUT CHRIS!! 🙁

On the 23 June 801 the Monestery of Gainsborough was founded on the site of the grave of the old danish king Ida who’s device and banner was a wolf.
This theory stretches out to many pages, but the whole crux is that the new super-villian in the Whoniverse is the Face Of Boe. That’s why the Doctor was looking up at the end (although I can’t rule out Davros making a theatrical appearance on a balcony). The Boe has only shown any flicker when the Moxx mentioned ‘Bad Wolf’.
If you add the numbers up you come to 12, and I reckin the Face is the 12th generation of the Master.
QED.

Emperor Dalek: I am the god of all Daleks!
Daleks:(of the Emperor Dalek) Worship him! Worship him!”
This Dosen’t sound like the Daleks i know…. ‘Worship him?’ That is more like a human megalomaniac with delusions of grandeur..It is the Emperor but not the origanal..perhaps some one else….Valeyard..or even(oh god help us)Adam.
The Emperor could be floating or being droped to the ground like the Borg queen..
Kevin Eldon would make a good Master but i’m not so sure he will be in it…i mean up till yesterday every one was sure Norman Lovett was Davros…
My mention of the valeyard was (for those of you who don’t know) The dark side of the doctors regenerations between his 12 and last body..Bad Wolf?
I also think as mentioned at http://www.livejournal.com/community/time_and_chips/271183.html
The Docs been stuck in a loop travelling around eatrth in different times only to regenerate back to his 9th body..forgetting where he has been before (this explains why in ‘rose’ Clive had loads of pics of the doc when as he’s looking at himself in the mirror in jackies flat he first notices his ears and face…
He remembers only bits but enough to relise that he needs help..aka Rose to chainge everything and break free of the trap.
Good plot if it could work.. have a look on the site and see what you think…

The parties in 1987 were called “orbital parties” (because they were held around the newly opened M25). Not an actual space station, I give you, but there is a link.
I think “Energized” is a wierd name only because it was the name of a Brighton-based free-party outfit, but a few years later.

Could it be that the Dalek infected by rose in the Emporer. This would explain the Human Touch to his ‘god of all daleks’ speach?
They will return..they always do……

In the 1967 story ‘Evil Of The Daleks’ the daleks kidnap the Second Doctor (played by Patrick Troughton) in a contemporaneous London antique shop and transport him back 100 years to Professor Maxtible’s home in Kent.
Maxtible had accidentally stumbled upon the daleks in his experiments with static electricity and become their unwilling accomplice.
The daleks plan is to isolate a specific element in humans which has allowed them to defeat the daleks on numerous occasions.
Implanting this into daleks was intended to overcome daleks’ weaknesses.
However , things went wrong and the ‘humanised’ daleks led a revolt on Skaro leading to the destruction of the Dalek Emporer.
The Dalek Emporer was a fixed unit, kept in place by numerous tubes that fed into and out of him, just like the girl at the end of Episode 12.
Captain Jack – He’s not just along for the ride. He has already told us that he is a con man, and a time traveller.

In the weakest link, rose answered a question, the only one she got correct was the face of boe….
1) Hu is the face of boe
2) Ive heard ppl mentioning huim
3) Anne droid had a postphoned silence b4 she said “that is correct”
any relevence there???

yeah it does seem interesting with the “god of all daleks” speech. Im pretty sure Davros or the Emperor has never refered to oneself as a Dalek God. It also seems strange that the Daleks chant “Worship Him”
Cpt Jack wont become a bad guy, but if it does it will be without his own knowledge (during his missing 2 years) I do think he will come to an untimely end soon though.

So all the things marked with with words “” are all to do with things that are linked with things that go into orbit:
– german bomb was one of the first “rockets”
– orbital party
– TV stations from the space stations
– orbital gallery at the end of the world
– the Tardis

I think the Chris Eccleston doctor has been dead for some time and the recording in the Tardis was made a long time ago. The clip / hologram seen at the end of this week’s episode is discovered by either Rose or Jack this week. It leads them to discover that the doctor has been dead for a while and an evil force (possibly an evil Time Lord) has taken over his Eccleston body – i.e. a wolf in sheeps clothing. Remember in Little Red Riding Hood the wolf dressed up as Grandma. So someone is dressing up as the doctor.
Obviously when that doctor died he regenerated in David Tennant – who has been warning Rose or the Tardis throughout this episode. But he hasn’t been able to time travel because his Tardis was stolen.
So who controls the Daleks? Well I don’t think they are controlled by Davros (although I always liked him) but by the new, real doctor (David Tennant). During the Time War, the doctor and Daleks realised that an evil, third force was playing the two sides off each other and both were heading for extinction. So they conspired together to catch the renegade, who escaped with the CE Doctor’s body and the Tardis. Obviously, the new doctor had to travel with the Daleks as his Tardis had been stolen. This would annoy the Terry Nation estate – firstly that the doctor and the daleks are on the same side ,secondly that the Daleks are fighting for good, and thirdly because Davros will not be included, which they used to insist upon.
At the end of this week’s episode, perhaps the new David Tennant doctor will open the lid of the tardis and clamber out, rather like Bill Hartnell did back in the 60’s. This would explain RTD comment about it appealing to those who liked the original episode.
I am attracted to the idea of Adam being the new Davros, but think this and the FOB are red-herrings. Don’t believe what the BBC say – they have a history of misleading fans. In rememberance they put an anagram for Terry Molloy up who was playing Davros to fool the audience.

“I think the Chris Eccleston doctor has been dead for some time and the recording in the Tardis was made a long time ago. The clip / hologram seen at the end of this week’s episode is discovered by either Rose or Jack this week. It leads them to discover that the doctor has been dead for a while and an evil force (possibly an evil Time Lord) has taken over his Eccleston body – i.e. a wolf in sheeps clothing. Remember in Little Red Riding Hood the wolf dressed up as Grandma. So someone is dressing up as the doctor.”
Now you’re getting warm…

“stay off the internet”. Its the biggest clue yet. Only take notice of what you have seen in the show, nothing more and nothing less.

801… Alpha and Omega…

There on to you Mondo..get out while you can…..

Another internet reference is the Dalek, in the same named episode, downloads the entire internet once it escapes…is that important

Wat is ur job mondo ?

Duality? As in twin or copy or…..?

mondo can u email me the spoiler because i want 2 find it out

no can u just email me it

Robbie, check your email..

No problem…

David
Your theory would also explain why the doctor didn’t get transmatted into dalek space, and why he could take the risk with Rose and make the threats, cos he’s dealing with “stupid primates” not daleks.
that only explains the plot, however, no badwolf clues…

come tho think of it in the episode darlek
if i remember the darlek said you would make a good darlek
hmmm

Adrian – I’ve already covered this here – http://www.beyondatari.com
The Doctor IS the big bad wolf.
Who is afraid of the big bad wolf?
My master fears The Doctor.
It couldn’t be more obvious.
And yes, Jack isn’t who he thinks he is.
Duality… That is the key to everything.
Face of Bo – Nothing to do with anything!

Is anybody going to solve the theory and make a guess to what exactly is going on? Mondo, i have checked your link just now and you havent given anything more away. Seems like everyone is very close but i would appriciate the duality statement explaining and ideas of how it will effect this story.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho/avoid.shtml
i was lookin at the page which tell people to avoid the internet for a week, and notice the dalek on the page is the one from the episode ‘dalek’. not sure if this is a sign that it will feature in the last episode because on all the other pages its showing the sorta new gold daleks. just an idea and sorry if its useless…exciting isnt it!

Has anyone seen Monday’s trailer of Episode 13?
In it “The voice” says that he is the Dalek God. God has always been seen as a creator so this would indicate Davros as being Bad Wolf to me.
On the same train of thought if the “Last Dalek” didn’t actually die but teleported away and used Rose’s DNA to re-create the Daleks, then he would be a creator therefore a Dalek God.
In conclusion I think Bad Wolf is either Davros or THAT Dalek.

The classic Bad Wolf scenario is…
the bad wolf posed as Red Riding Hood’s Gran to lure RRH to her doom.
At the end of the world, several species were lured onto the satellite, including Rose and The Doctor. Hence the comment “It’s the classic Bad Wolf Scenario”
The Tardis is hinting at how The Doctor can destroy the overwhelming menace of 500,000 DALEKS.
Lure them aboard Satellite5 .
Simple!
God….you nerds!

I think that Bad Wolf is just simply them being locked in BadWolfTV. Cos In ‘The End Of The World’, moxx says ‘bad wolf scenario’: they are all locked inside somewhere where they will all die. Probably not, but…
In The Sun, RTD has stated that Daleks will NOT be in series 2, but Cybermen will.
I don’t think David Tennant will actually turn out to be dr 9, cos then there would be no point in making a whole series with Chris. Also, Billie will not be in Series 2, but David will be in the Xmas Special.

Just as a thought, we know that the Doctor or the Tardis can not be in serious danger because the TARDIS cloister bell has not been ringing.
If if recall correctly this rings when the Doctor or the Tardis are in Mortal danger.

Yeah, Russell T Davies said hes “not sure if he can bring back the Daleks after what happens next week” – so it clearly going to have something to do with going back in time and destroying the “last Dalek” (whom must have teleported away rather than die first time around)therefore Adam will return, perhaps in Van Stattens place.
It tragic the Daleks wont be coming back! I suggest everyone email then Sun (if your like me and want it left open for them to return) The Sun started the campaign to bring them back this series. Why cant RTD leave his stories open ended?! Someone should tell him Dr Who has never had clear cut endings…Its part of the fun.

Has anyone heard the last track on the bad wolf website, it starts of in French or German (never can tell) and then a static voice breaks in and says something, cant make it out, except the last bit seemed to be saying “My life destroyed” can anyone help?

that shud say teaser by the way

SO COME ON PPL, TAKE A GUESS
WHO IS THE “BAD WOLF”?
1. THE DOCTOR.
2. THE TARDIS.
3. ROSE.
4. THE FACE OF BOE.
5. THE EMPEROR DERLEK / DAVROS
6. MICKEY.
7. CAPTAIN JACK.
8. ROSE’S MUM.
9. VAN STRATT
10. ADAM
I SAY THE FACE OF BOE.

Read the interview Russell T Davis gives in the TV Times this week ‘Interesting’. Bad Wolf has got to be The Doc, with Rose saving the day

‘Odin’ according to RTD everything will become clear and it will lead into the Xmas special

Bad Wolf, I really like you theory about the Doctor being trapped in a circle with Rose having to get him out of there.
adrian has a very good point in noticing the real Doctor may have dissapearded in Father’s day after being ‘eaten’.
I think things have been going wrong in stages. The Doctor got caught and later on, he died. He may have recorded the hologram between leaving for the first time in episode 1 and the reappering a few seconds later to take Rose with him. Being stuck in a fictional world would explain several returns of old enemies.
stainless, thank you for explaining what the Bad Wolf scenario is. That’s a good hint.
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Mickey and Jackie
I am convinced that there is nothing special going on with Mickey and Jackie. They’re just playing in the series to be Rose’s homebase. Her constantly leaving them and eventually missing them just adds some extra drama to the series. That’s why they’re in there. Obviously Mickey wi=ould be around in the next season if Rose is. I believe they will eventually make up and that’s when Rose will leave her timetraveling days behind.
I find the theory of the Doctor being just thrown into an amusement show by the face of Boe and / or his associates (as the face of Boe is a universal entertaiment tycoon) quite interesting. The Face of Boe being the new villian is also interesting, but he’s not been proven evil yet. He’s only a businessman.
Jack Harkness
Him being a timelord is almost certain to me. He knows so much things the Doctor knows. And with the lost memory thing… Him having actually been the Doctor is a nice option but I should see a more detailed explanation before I believe it.
I used to think the title “parting of the ways” stood for Rose leaving the Doctor and stepping back into her ordinary life with her mom and Mickey, but I guess it’s not even a real ending. The Doctor and his companions become seperated and don’t get reunited until later. It’s a cliffhanger. That’s what I think.

Sorry. I stand corrected!
I like the idea of Captain Jack being the Doctor because the previous one was consumed in Father’s Day.
However I still think that Bad Wolf is either Davros or THAT Dalek

It was always going to be the case that CE was leaving and that the seris was written around that fact. Everything will make sense at the end. He say ‘WE will have the time of our lives watching’

I think the suspense is going to kill me before Saturday!! Especially with the teasers being shown on the BBC and all these theories going round.

I hope so Sue, i’m in work and haven’t got time to write it down

here is the cast list from imdn.com
The Parting of the Ways” Episode: #1.13 – 18 June 2005
John Barrowman …. Jack Harkness
Nicholas Briggs …. Daleks (voice)
Noel Clarke …. Mickey Smith
Camille Coduri …. Jackie Tyler
Laura Frazer …. Tardis Voice ????

The Doctor IS the wolf. Its obvious.
Who is afraid of the big bad wolf?
My masters fear The Doctor.
Simple as that, Rose is red riding hood, Jack likes smokey bacon crisps, how many more clues do you need!?
Adam / Face of Boe / Van Statt – forget them, all just little characters and not important to the arc.

There is also a male and female programmer in the cast list and Rodrick

Completely agree with Mondo Dynmo

The Doc’s friendship with Rose is put to the ultimate test as the earth is plunged into all out war. The Time Lord has to take desparte measures to save humanity from annihilation

Lets not forget there will be loads of red herrings, so who it says is in the cast list doesn’t really mean much

Just been to the DW exhibition on Brighton Pier and next to the Face of Boe it says that he has a terrible secret that he will only tell to one person hinting that this person is the Doctor. this suggests that he is going to feature in the series again at some point ie this Saturday!
For the record I think the Emperor Dalek is coming back as I think Davors would be too difficult to explain in such a short time.

I don’t think it will be the Face of Boe. She would have to be hundreds of thounsands of years old because the Earth was destoyed in the year 500,000 wasn’t it? And doesn’t the last episode of this series take place in the year 200,000? I just think that I would feel let down if Bad Wolf turned out to be a flat, wet face.

face of booooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

Just to let anyone no who doesn’t already, I will be in a few episodes of the new series

And i won’t be in any

And don’t forget Rose has always worn red in every episode ( Little Red Riding Hood)

so u rnt then

Robbie, all i can say is some of you have got the story so right and some of you have it it so so wrong

Odin, How right could you be

Have you noticed that the tardis is in shot when the Daleks are chanting ‘worship him’ in the trailer teaser? indicating that it can’t be the tardis talking.

Excellent point.
Right, time to get off the fence! In thyat teaser the “God of all Daleks” has a Dalek voice. Did Davros sound like a Dalek? (I am only 18, never seen Davros before) If not then I think Bad Wolf is the Dalek from the episode earlier this season in which the Dalek was meant to have died.

i havnt gone

Robbie i’m glad to hear it, aren’t you enjoying the disscusion? Thought CE had made you go off line

Na i just went on some dif websites

goin by wat they have said on the bbc avoid the internet i think thats a clue.i think the bad wolf has 2 be some1 we’ve seen b4 on the episodes

How can I be near and far here!!! Damnit! I want to see that episode!!! It’s not fair!!
I just had a discussion with my mum and a mate. Mum thinks it’s Captain Jack and mate thinks its the Doctor….so many theories so little time!

Have you seen the rest of this series? Because if you have you got to have a theory! Everyone has! I’m sure the Queen has even got one! ANd i’m pretty damn sure that the writers don’t even know who/what it is! Lol.

You know what….I think you don’t actually know who/what it is and you just enjoy teasing me!

Odin,, I must admit i am privvy to certain information, but i am not at liberty to tell you

Im glad you’re not at liberty to tell because that would ruin it.
It’s definitely the Dalek that survived. That’s my definitive theory!

Good guess work Robbie, keep trying though

This is all very excting

Odin,, I would never spoil it, I have very high friends at the BEEB, Plus the fact i would lose my job. CE

billypiper isn’t the real Rose, cos her name is spelt billIE, not billY. Not sure about CE.
They are showin a preview of TPOTW tomorow i think to tabloids and media and stuff, which is why they say ‘stay away from the internet’, cos loads of places will spoil it.
Also, on bbc/doctorwho, they have an article on Bad Wolf, and RTD says that it hasn’t been revealed yet, and it isn’t FOB>
HA!

This board is the best i’ve seen for Bad Wolf, but I have a real problem.
I am at school 9-4, and so much happens, that when i get home, I have so many messages to read!
Tom Coates, great site! And great telling to billypiper and CE. Good on you! You should feel proud! Keep up the good work!
That is all.
Bad Wolf, come soon!

is that hinting at some1 with a weird name ?

I have just been explaining all the theories to my friend and there are so many that i have confused myself!! Help me!

I think it’s fair to say RTD is smart enough to not only realise the likelihood of obsessive fan speculation, but also the importance of not alienating new viewers. Thus many tiny clues (or perhaps not) have been thrown in throughout the series, and on the spin-off websites, to give the hardcore fans something to argue about. I wouldn’t put it past him to visit websites such as this to further confuse people!
If you consider that many of the shows 7m viewers are kids who have never seen the old shows (including the Paul McGann movie), and that the vast remaining adult audience are not long-term fans, it would make little sense to bring in the Master, or the Rani or whoever. For CE to suddenly announce ‘Er.. actually I’m the Master and I’m evil after all, despite bringing people back to life’ would confuse and mean nothing to at least 50% of the viewers.
Therefore the ‘bad wolf’ must be a character already within the series – most probably the last dalek, Adam or the Face of Boe. Any of these could work (and quite possibly all have been filmed as alternate endings!). Something I noticed, which is almost certainly irrelevant is that ‘Boe’ is obviously an anagram of ‘Beo’ ie. Beowulf, apologies if anyone else has said this before.

Frankly, introducing Davros at this stage in the new series would be suicide.
Like the master, Davros is too deeply integrated into the Doctor Who mythology to introduce with only one episode left (but look out for both of these characters in 2-parters next year).
All Iíll say about what weíve done with bad wolf this year is that weíve written the first series as a stand-alone with a nice neat ending, but itís not until next years Cybermen episode (episode 7) that youíll really find out whatís been going on all along.

pssst!!!!! i know a little secret that someone doesn¥t want you to know.
all i will say is this.
!!!!!THE KEEPER OF TRAKEN!!!!!
Find it and you¥ll find the answers your looking for. thats all i can say.

Someone asked about the relevance Jack’s love of smokey bacon crisps. The bad wolf chases the tree little pigs in the song because he wants to eat them.
Having said that, I still think the doctor is not what he seems.

I initially thought the Adam/Davros idea was most likely, and personally would have found that perhaps the most satisfying ending (of those that I can imagine anyway), but however I agree that it is perhaps unlikely now. Alex I don’t think we can necessarily trust everything RTD says regarding the final episode.
As for the Keeper of Traaken/Enemy Within thing, I’m only 21 so have only seen UK Gold repeats intermittently so I’m not that familiar with the old storylines, but I believe this is effectively insinuating that the Master is within the tardis or possibly even the Doctor himself. Keeper of Traaken I think was about the Master trying to rejuvenate and ends up capturing someone’s body, whilst in the Enemy Within he is trapped within the tardis. I may be wrong.
Anyway I think the bottom line is that nobody knows what is going to happen, even if they’d like to think they do, so don’t pay too much attention to ‘inside sources’ 😉 This is all good fun though!

right this really is the last post. so here goes!!
the doctor who television movie also features a certain enemy, ahemmmm (cough cough) and the master.
GET IT!!!!!

Havik, I can’t be bothered to count the paragraphs and put things together. Please can you just put what you think bad wolf is on here, but put
!!!!!!SPOILER!SPOILER!SPOILER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
so that everyone knows not to read it?
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I
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i hope this week is gonna just whiz past i just want to know.
BUT I DONT WANT DW TO DIE. NO ONE CAN BEAT CHRIS.E. AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!
WHAT DAY IS IT? AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!ITS TUESDAY!! TOO LONG!!! AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHAHAH!!! AHHHH!!!
I’LL MISS YOU CHRIS!! 🙁 🙁 🙁 🙁 🙁 🙁

okay here you are then, ill post both things it says on those pages, ab bit lazy at the moment (i cant be bothered to wright it myself to be honest)
!!!SPOILER!!!!!!SPOILER!!!!!!SPOILER!!!!!!SPOILER!!!
ENEMY WITHIN (i mean its even in the f****** title)
On the planet Skaro, the renegade Time Lord known as the Master is put on trial by the Daleks, and executed. His last wish, however, is for his remains to be returned to Gallifrey by his greatest enemy, the Doctor.
In the TARDIS, the Seventh Doctor stows the urn containing the Master’s remains in a container, locking it with his sonic screwdriver, then settles in for the trip back to the Time Lord homeworld. As he relaxes, however, he does not see the container shake and shatter. A gelatinous slug-like creature oozes out of the container and enters the TARDIS console, shorting it out. The Doctor tries to compensate, but the TARDIS systems indicate a critical timing malfunction and initiate an emergency landing. The Doctor finds, to his horror, that the Master’s container is cracked open.
On December 30, 1999 in San Francisco, a Chinese-American teen named Chang Lee and his two friends run from rival gang members. An ambush opens fire on them, and as Lee is about to be shot, a high wind whips up in the alley and a police box materializes in front of the teen. The Doctor steps out only to be shot by the startled gang, and he falls. Lee finds his friends dead and the Doctor gravely wounded. He is unable to warn Lee about the worm oozing out of the TARDIS lock and following Lee as he calls for an ambulance.
In the ambulance, Lee signs the paperwork that Bruce, the paramedic, gives him, putting the Doctor’s name as “John Smith”. The Doctor is wheeled into the operating room while the worm hides in the ambulance, and then in Bruce’s uniform. The medical staff are puzzled by the fact that the Doctor’s X-rays reveal two hearts which are racing wildly. They decide to contact the on-call cardiologist, Dr. Grace Holloway, who is at a performance of Madama Butterfly when she is paged, to the annoyance of her boyfriend, Brian. She rushes back to the hospital, still in her ballgown.
Puccini plays as Grace starts to operate. The Doctor’s eyes snap open and he tries to tell Grace that he is not human, and that he needs a beryllium atomic clock, but they put him back under. The use of a cardiac probe goes wrong as Grace is unfamiliar with the Doctor’s physiology. The Doctor goes into a seizure and flatlines. Grace is angry and upset, demanding to see the patient’s X-rays, and is disturbed when she sees the two hearts and realizes it is not a double exposure as assumed.
Grace tells Lee that “Mr. Smith” is dead, and when Grace figures out that he does not really know the dead man, Lee takes the Doctor’s belongings and runs off. Now past midnight on December 31, the Doctor’s body is put in the morgue freeze room. In Bruce’s house, the worm creeps out of his uniform and forces itself into Bruce’s mouth while he is sleeping next to his wife. The Master has taken over.
In the morgue, the body of the Doctor crackles with electricity, and he regenerates into the Eighth Doctor, who rises from the gurney, disoriented and amnesiac. The Doctor manages to pound the door of the storage chamber off its hinges, frightening the morgue attendant into a faint. Confused, he staggers into a disused section of the hospital, clad only in a sheet and the tag still on his toe. As he spies his reflection, he cries out in anguish, “Who am I?”
As dawn comes to San Francisco, the Doctor rummages through the worker’s lockers, finding pieces of costumes for the New Year’s Party. Lee searches through the Doctor’s things and finds the TARDIS key. The Master awakens in Bruce’s body, saying that he needs to find the Doctor, and that the body will not last long. When Bruce’s wife sees the green glow of his eyes, he kills her.
The hospital administrator discusses the Doctor with Grace, and burns the X-rays so that they can cover up the death of the patient. Grace is adamant, however, and threatens to resign. She gathers her things and leaves the hospital, followed by the Doctor, who in his confused state latches on to someone he recognizes. Grace tries to fob him off, thinking that he is insane, but he climbs into her car anyway. Suddenly the Doctor screams as he removes the remains of the cardiac probe from his chest. As the Doctor tells her that he has two hearts, Grace begins to realize that this might be the same man, as impossible as it seems. The Doctor cries for Grace to drive off and she does.
The Master goes to the hospital to find the Doctor’s body but is told it is missing. A nurse tells “Bruce” that the Doctor’s property is with the Asian boy, and the Master thanks her and goes off. When Grace and the Doctor arrive at her home, she finds that Brian has moved out and taken most of the furniture. Grace listens to the Doctor’s chest and confirms that he has two hearts. The Doctor starts to remember details, saying that he was dead too long this time – the anaesthetic nearly destroyed the regenerative process. Grace asks the Doctor not to talk to her like she is a child; the dead stay dead, but is startled when he tells her that about her dream as a child to hold back death, and that she will do great things.
In Chinatown, Lee uses the key to enter the TARDIS, and is shocked when he sees its dimensionally transcendental interior. The TARDIS also seems to respond to Lee, powering itself on when he touches the console. Somehow, the Master is already there, and hypnotises Lee into giving him the Doctor’s belongings. He tells Lee that the “dead man” has stolen his body and they need to find him before the Master dies.
Grace and the Doctor go for a walk, where she theorizes that he might be the product of a genetic experiment. The Doctor remembers more details – he is from Gallifrey, and remembers a meteor storm he saw with his father. In the TARDIS, he convinces Lee that the Doctor is the evil one and that they must stop him. The Master brings him to the Cloister Room, where the Eye of Harmony is housed. The Master uses Lee’s retinal pattern to open the Eye. As the Eye opens, the Doctor’s memories start flooding back and he kisses Grace in joy.
The Eye projects images, first of the Seventh, then the Eighth Doctor – and his retinal structure, which is human. The Master concludes that the Doctor is half-human. Meanwhile, the Doctor senses that the Master has opened the Eye, and that he will be able to see through the Doctor’s eyes. He shuts them, but not before the Master spots Grace. The Doctor tells Grace that the Master wants to force him to look into the Eye, so that the Doctor’s soul will be destroyed and the Master can take his body. He explains that if the Eye is not closed, the planet will soon be sucked through it, and that he needs an atomic clock to fix the timing mechanism on the TARDIS to prevent this. They have until midnight.
Grace, now believing the Doctor to be insane, runs back into the house to call an ambulance to take the Doctor away. The Doctor convinces her, showing that the molecular structure of the planet is changing by walking through her picture window. The Master hears all this and goes with Lee to drive the ambulance to Grace’s house as “Bruce”. On the television, the Doctor sees reports of weather patterns changing around the world, and then a report of an event in San Francisco showcasing the unveiling of an atomic clock at the Institute of Technological Advancement and Research.
The Master arrives at the door but the Doctor does not recognize him. They ask him to take them to the Institute. The ambulance lurches as they stop for a traffic jam, and the Master’s sunglasses fall, revealing his alien eyes. The Doctor takes a fire extinguisher and fires it in the Master’s face as he spits venom at them, hitting Grace in the wrist. Grace and the Doctor escape from the ambulance. The Doctor commandeers a police motorcycle by threatening to shoot himself. The ambulance, driven by Lee, races the Doctor and Grace on the motorcycle towards the Institute.
When the Doctor and Grace reach the Institute, they see the ambulance in the parking lot. Grace and the Doctor mingle at the reception, introducing the Doctor as “Doctor Bowman” from London, but are blocked from entering the room with the clock. They manage to sneak up there anyway, where the Doctor removes the timing chip. As they make their way out, they see Lee and the Master and try to avoid them, running into a group of security guards who have been paralysed by the Master’s venom. The Doctor triggers off the fire alarm as he and Grace head for the roof, descending to the ground using a fire hose. They get back on the motorcycle and ride back towards Chinatown and the TARDIS.
They gain access to the TARDIS with the spare key the Doctor keeps in a cubbyhole above the “POLICE BOX” sign. As they enter, they hear the cloister bell signalling disaster. The Doctor installs the beryllium chip into the console and closes the Eye, but it may be too late – the Eye has been opened too long. The only way to prevent the destruction of Earth is to go back before the Eye was opened, but the TARDIS is out of power. Grace challenges the Doctor to think – his knowledge of what happens to her in the future must come from somewhere. The Doctor proposes directing residual power from the Eye directly into the time rotor, jumpstarting the TARDIS. But as the Doctor sets things up below the console, the Master’s venom takes effect on Grace, making her take up a tool and knock the Doctor out, just as the Master and Lee enter the console room.
The Doctor wakes up in the Cloisters, strapped down. He tries unsuccessfully to convince Lee that the Master has been lying to him. The Master, in the meantime, has changed into Gallifreyan garb. Grace, still possessed by the Master, chains the Doctor on the upper balcony, attaching a metal harness on his head designed to keep his eyes open while he stares into the Eye of Harmony. The Master tries to get Chang Lee to open the eye but makes a slip which makes the boy realize the Master has lied. The Master breaks Lee’s neck, and uses Grace to open the Eye instead.
The glow from the Eye focuses onto the Doctor and the Master, linking them both and starts to transfer the Doctor’s regenerations to the Master. The Doctor shouts for Grace to go to the console room and divert the power to start the TARDIS or everyone will die. As the clock counts down to midnight, Grace struggles with the console circuitry, and manages to connect the wires just as the clock strikes midnight. The time column starts to move and the TARDIS goes into a temporal orbit, suspending everything at the moment of destruction. Grace runs back to the Cloisters and tries to free the Doctor from his chains but the Master pushes her over the side of the balcony and kills her.
The Doctor and the Master battle over the Eye of Harmony, and in the struggle, the Master gets sucked into the Eye and is seemingly destroyed. The clocks on the TARDIS continue ticking backwards, and a glow from the TARDIS washes over the bodies of Grace and Lee, bringing them back to life as the Eye closes once more. The Doctor then resets the console and brings them back to December 31, just at the stroke of midnight, and time proceeds again as normal.
Back in San Francisco, Lee returns the Doctor’s things to him. The Doctor tells Chang Lee not to be around next Christmas, and the teen leaves. The Doctor asks Grace to go with him, but she declines, saying that she’s not afraid of life anymore. The Doctor kisses her goodbye, and enters the TARDIS, which then dematerialises. The Doctor settles back in his chair in the console room, off for further adventures.
THE MASTER (the important bit)
The Master also appeared in the 1996 Doctor Who telemovie that starred Paul McGann as the Eighth Doctor. In the prologue, the Master’s current body (played for mere seconds in the final edit by Gordon Tipple) was thoroughly exterminated by the Daleks, but managed to survive through means unexplained in the finished film, his consciousness embodied in the form of a small, snake-like, amorphous entity.

why would it be hard to introduce the master if you understand what im getting at.
10mins top, thats how long it would take to introduce the master.

Because the way you are linking him into the story relates back to the film, which some kids will not have seen. People who haven’t seen the film will not know what the eye of harmony is, how the master got there etc etc. Plus the production team have been keeping the thrust of the story this series fresh and new – the references to the past have been characters – the Daleks and Autons – not how they got to be there, or where they had been before.
The final episode is going to be fast moving and action – orientated. There is no time to introduce a new character whom the kids have never heard of. The whole idea of this bad wolf thing is like a who dunnit – and classic detective stories introduce the murderer near the beginning and wait til near the end to reveal secrets / or their true nature. They do not suddenly introduce a new character who performed the murder in the last chapter – how much of a cheat would that be? So, in this case I do not think that the master will suddenly appear. No, the bad wolf must be someone we have already met. Something is not as we think it is…

Havik..i take what you’ve said and raise it to “MIND OF EVIL”

dont you get it,
!!!!!WE ALREADY HAVE BEEN INTRODUCED TO THE MASTER!!!!!

Havik – the reason the regenration scene wasnt included was explained by RTD in an interview – he thinks its bad to start a series with the death of the main charcater. Alot of what RTD has done this series is based on his idea of what a good TV series should be written like. That means its highly unlikely that the Doctor is an imposter because it makes the previous 12 episodes, the relationship with Rose etc a complete mockery. While The Doctor could still be the Bad Wolf, he certainly is the Doctor, not the master in disguise etc. I dont think he’s going to introduce charcaters such as Davros etc so late in, because as other people have said, it would involve too much history and be unfair to newer viewers. Both RTD and CE have done interviews saying this series is designed primarily to entertain kids, so the plot twists wont be overly complicated or involve old charcaters. Rather, it will be a character from the current series – my money’s on Adam or the Dalek from ep 6.

The Bad Wolf Website has just been added to.
I cant see any extra clues tho

why does everyone presume the doctor is the main character!!!!
Whats the first episode of the new series called?

FOB could be in the next series

wat really happens 2 the doctor ?

lol,i might do,the doctor actually….

Davros is a no no…They would of asked Terry Maloy to do it..
Jack is one of the keys..the throw away line of having his mind wiped..Why?
He seems to be able to operate and repare the Tardis..He might be a time traveler but Gallifrey technology? Nah…He must be a Time lord…or….?
‘Time and Tide wait’s for no man…’

Go on then..tell us the graham factor clues

Quote from bbc site from RTD:”Judging from the reactions I’ve had, a lot of people seem to think the Bad Wolf has already been revealed. Oh, it’s the TV station. Oh, it’s half a million Daleks. I’ve even got one friend claiming it’s the Face of Boe! I must get better friends.”
“I don’t want to give anything away yet, but there is another revelation to come in Saturday’s episode. We haven’t discovered the true Bad Wolf yet.”

IVE GOT TO GO,YOU FIND OUT WHAT HAPPENS,FIND OUT AS MUCH AS YOU CAN ABOUT THE GRAHAM FACTOR,BYE FOR NOW.MUA HAHAHAHAHAAHAHHA

Autons…are you saying they are Bad wolf?

Where is the Master?

im not reffering to the master vanishing but your on the right trail!

Before the new series, the doctor and the master sent them back into space, and only the master knew where they came from?
Whoever brought the Nestene back must have known where they were

anybody reading my posts please start from where i first posted or you wont understand what im tring to say.

I get it havic..and it’s a good idea. But what about the Time lords..i can’t see that the Daleks who are (compared to them) just starters in time travel..can be the only ones to escape the Time War…

that would explain the loop in time

what im trying to say is that even the producers reffered to the master as a reccuring villian
quote: “the producers conceived the Master as a recurring villain, a “Professor Moriarty to the Doctor’s Sherlock Holmes”, and he first appeared in Terror of the Autons”
dont be missled by the trailers thats exactly what they¥re intended to do.
When the doctor asks the daleks how they survived the time war and when that voice accures (im pretty sure those are two different scenes)
a leaked quote from the last episode is:
“Whats wrong Rose dont you want to congratulate me on my big shiny teath”
And also RTD is intending to mislead you with everything he says.

Dont see how the last dalek cant be from this war..otherwise how would “the voice” have any idea as to how the Daleks survived the Time War?
The voice wouldnt just say “they survived through me” if it had no knowledge of the Time War.
Just doesnt work for me, sorry.
Could someone answer my post about Haviks idea please?
Also whats this about “Graham”??
Dont see why people leave cryptic style clues – just say what you think – not hard really!

i¥ll tell you what i think happens in a minute just need to research something before i start.

Goin by on the fathers day time loop that could be happenin with the doctor he isnt dyin when he is meant 2. that might explain the supposed bit where they put his body in the heart of the tardis and he regenerates

I’m enjoying the speculation and the theories, though I’m sure mine are a lot less accurate, imaginative and exciting than most of them on here, but I’ve got to say I’m feeling slightly embarassed on behalf of Dr Who fans everywhere at all the people claiming (sorry, hinting!) to be members of the cast and creative team.
Grow up for heaven’s sake! Are you the same people who go on Harry Potter boards and claim to be the actors from the films or (worse) the characters from the books.
Dearie dearie me.
We’re *fans* – it’s our job to obsess over the details and speculate wildly. The *actors* are probably the least likely people in the world to spend their spare time trawling fan sites and saying “Don’t want to give too much away, but look out for an old and ABOMINABLE foe in the last episode. Have you guessed who it is yeti?” and so forth.
Embarassing. Please stop.

Here her Adam…The Voice saying ‘They survived through me’ is what the ‘Last Dalek’ said…

So am i on the right lines about the time loop with the doctor ?

Well can you place a link up please Havik?
I will be back later and will go and check it – also is this just your own opinion or is it going to be 90% true? you seem very certain about it.

Not 90% Sam but it fit’s in very well..
I did the same Robbie and it thought James Bond was…not very good

It’s just my theory..but it keeps getting stronger as more evidence come in…

Nope im still here i was just doin homework

R.E it was crap homework

am i on the right lines about it being in a time loop

Russell would be within his rights to do an alternative timeline/restoration story. Doctor WHO has been light on those, in comparison with, for example, Star Trek (all variations, including ëEnterpriseí) and Stargate, which quoted the Simpsonsí ënear enoughí episode: ëI thought there were no fish in this pond, sir?í

Star Trek Voyager in particular was very naughty with regard to this sort of thing.

Candidates for Bad Wolf:

12. Toad of Toad Hall

Coming in at ëthat all-important number eleven positioní (Johnnie Walker, 1975):

11: Margaret Thatcher (The lupine influence is finally showing in her face these days.)

10: The Paul McGann Doctor: in an alternative timeline in which Uncle Monty got him.

Oh Marwood, thou art sick

The invisible cock that flies in the night

Has found out thy bed

Oh why paint an archerís target on thy buttocks?

Art thou a mere Bushell under which no light hideth?

9. The Celestial Toymaker. (ëYou didnít think that you really got out of that one, Doctor?í)

8. The Second Grim Reaper, a being which embodies and exploits surface deceptions in all areas of life, evil disguised as good, hidden forces, the hi-jacking of language and the double-edged human ability to adapt to almost any adverse circumstances.

7. General Curtis E. LeMay

6. Michael Grade (Who was his daddy?)

5. Marriage

4. Rene Descartes

3. Father Jack (the one from ëFather Tedí, not the one from ëSix Feet Underí)

2. Number One from the last episode of ëThe Prisonerí

1. The Antimozart

The Antimozart, the Spirit of Mediocrity, describes his role in human history, which was that of ensuring that humanity remained essentially mediocre and that the number of ëdangerousí geniuses and colourfully imaginative minds was kept to a minimum. Killed Mozart and Schubert. Destroyed Beethovenís ëbetterí works and Shakespeareís novels . Founded ITV but was furious when ëThe Prisonerí and ëCallaní ëslipped through the netí. Speaks with pride about the deliberate bowdlerisation of outstanding elements of popular culture, including certain unusual television programmes and the work of certain rock music groups. Made them cancel ëMillenniumí.

Helped Michael Gradeís career.

The Time loop brole with rose and then meeting jack…Who recognises the Tardis as a Time machine..How it looks like a Blue wooden box?
I think he may be as important as bad wolf…

Sorry ment ‘started’ not ‘brole’. This is what comes from typing and reading this site and watching Most Haunted!

Mondo said(sorry if i get it wrong mate!) That there was two stories going on..one ,the main story for each episode and then an underlined story for die hard fans…He also suggested looking at each episode again and picking up notes..I havent had time what with work but if anybody wants to have a go….

Ah well I’ll let you lot in the day to speckulate and i’ll find out a bit more tomorrow..I Hope..Bye the way If you don’t want to find out don’t just keep of the net..Dont by a paper on thursday !!! The press get to see it tomorrow so it will be in the sun ! As Always!
Night all!

Havik…
Show us some of these clues you mention that point to Jack as the Master…
Now the Master could traditionally control other people (Autons) and also take over other bodies…maybe he can’t take over other timelords (he took over Nyssa in the old series I think?)
So what are the clues you reckon point to your opinion?

More of my thoughts…I think Jack is simply put in the series as ‘cannon-fodder’ for the big dalek battle. In Dr Who Confidential RTD talked about having soldiers for the war in the last episode, and Jack is the man who can shoot his guns!! Jack is solely there for that, I think – although his two year memory loss has probably got something to do with the timewar, maybe this is pointing at the old time loop theory!
I still believe the strongest candidates for Bad Wolf are: The Doctor himself, Adam, or the dalek from episode 6. However, in order for all the Bad Wolf references to be explained, well, that opens up a whole new can of worms and I really hope RTD can pull it all off in the last episode…
How does the Moxx of Balhoon KNOW about the ‘bad wolf scenario’ ?!! The Bad Wolf scenario in my mind is the corporation covering up the fact that there’s a fleet of daleks ready to blow you up! He’s presumably seen this happen before, and again, this points to the old FOB theory as detailed above. Mmmm, interesting!
All this talk of The Master and Davros is ridiculous, in my honest opinion (sorry y’all). RTD has 45 minutes in which to cram in a battle with daleks, a regeneration and death of a doctor, explanations of Bad Wolf and Jack Harness…if he can fit ALL of this in AND have time to introduce The Master/Davros I’ll be a beached whale! I would love it if Davros or The Master DID appear though…hey prove me wrong series!

The Dalek from ep.6 acquired Rose’s DNA. This is the reason why people in the far future are still referencing Big Brother and Weakest Link.
The Dalek from ep.6 is the new Dalek “God”. Armed with Rose’s ideas of good and evil from the DNA fusion.
But then… the Master was imprisoned in the “Heart of the Tardis”, formerly the “Eye of Harmony”, which may well have been destroyed with the Time Lords (if the TV Movie is to be believed, all Tardises would have been linked to the Eye back on Gallifrey, the refuelling in Wales (!) might suggest a new power source), if not, the Master was still in there… until the regeneration of the Slitheen! At this point the Master could have inhabited the egg, which was then returned to — insert name of Slitheen home world — and grew to be the new Master’s body.
The Master was destroyed by the Daleks at the beginning of the TV Movie. What better way to revenge himself than to become their God?
Who’s afraid of the Big Bad Wolf? What big ears he has, what big eyes he has, what a massive screen-filling gurning face he has – it’s the Doctor. The Daleks are afraid of him. And the Master, oily, duplicitous git that he is just can’t resist leaving Bad Wolf clues throughout space and time because he is so vain.
The Slitheen/Master created a creature from a pig purely as another clue to the Bad Wolf theme.
The Master will use the Bad Wolf analogy to goad the Doctor. Wolf in sheep’s clothing. He thinks he’s so good, but will he really destroy an entire race (the Daleks), that’s genocide! How the Doctor resolves this is RTD’s coup de gras.
BTW: Did anyone notice that the Gelf story is entirely unrelated to everything else (apart from the existence of the rift), unless something happens next week? Do you really think that RTD would introduce a powerful race like that to be defeated in one episode?

BTW: The ‘Classic “Bad Wolf” Scenario’ referred to by Moxxy is clearly a bunch of people held hostage on a space station.
I mean, it’s a classic “Bad Wolf” scenario, isn’t it?

Well Nigel, as everyone whoes posted on here will know Im a Dalek fan. RTD says when talking of the Daleks returning “Oh no, we’ve done them, anyway – i cant see a way of them returning with what happens next week” or something on the line of that.
I dont want to see them go for good! Be better if they stay on but are not overused ie, every season. What do you think?
Or is RTD deliberatly being misleading?
Surely it makes more sense to not totally close the door on the Daleks?

Perhaps it is literally a bad wolf: an unpleasant animal which lays waste to the Doctorís chickens, causing much concern to the farming community (although practically anything seems to upset them these days). There was little indication of this in last weekís trailer.

The ëSun Literary Supplementí claims that Bad Wolf is a complex reference to Beowulf:

ëThe Anglo-Saxon word-element Beo means “bright” or “noble,” and the word-element wulf means (surprise!) “wolf.” So Beowulf means “bright wolf” or “noble wolf” — both of which apply to our hero.í

ëHaving difficulty keeping the characters straight? You’re not alone. Try this list of characters at the Beowulf website..í

feond on helle.
WÊs se grimma gÊst Grendel haten,
mÊre mearcstapa, se ˛e moras heold,
fen ond fÊsten; fifelcynnes eard
wonsÊli wer weardode hwile,
si˛an him scyppend forscrifen hÊfde
in Caines cynne. ˛one cwealm gewrÊc
ece drihten, ˛Ês ˛e he Abel slog;

that field of hell.
Grendel this monster grim was called,
march-riever mighty, in moorland living,
in fen and fastness; fief of the giants
the hapless wight a while had kept
since the Creator his exile doomed.
On kin of Cain was the killing avenged
by sovran God for slaughtered Abel.

HÊbbe ic eac geahsod ˛Êt se ÊglÊca
for his wonhydum wÊpna ne recce.
Ic ˛Êt ˛onne forhicge (swa me Higelac sie,
min mondrihten, modes blie),
˛Êt ic sweord bere o˛e sidne scyld,
geolorand to gu˛e, ac ic mid grape sceal
fon wi feonde ond ymb feorh sacan,
la wi la˛um; Êr gelyfan sceal
dryhtnes dome se ˛e hine dea nime.
Wen ic ˛Êt he wille, gif he wealdan mot,

I have heard that the monster
in his recklessness uses no weapons.
I, therefore, for Hygelac my lord,
scorn to carry sword or shield,
but I shall seize my enemy
in my hand grip and fight,
enemy against enemy,
and let God decide
who shall be taken by death.

It is reported that the 20-minute hero-as-villain song ëGrendelí by Marillion will be featured in the final episode, including the guitar hero part at the end.

After slaying a dragon, Beowulf names his successor with his last breath. CE becomes DT. After being hassled by her mum for going travelling with Jesus, Rose now gets Casanova.

ìNever listen to gossip, Duckie.î

(Julian & Sandy, Round the Horne, Chapter 15, Verse 33)

I really must get out less.

Wait a minute. Bad wolf, multi-meglo-media-Murdoch-mania-manipulationofhumanity bymalevolentforces, Grendel, Supperís Ready, Foxtrot, red dress, fox head?? Bad Wolf = a large Fox = FOX!!

on the bad wolf website in the clues section there is some music to listen to that supposedly have hints in them.
the first song is about a little girl hiding from the big bad wolf.
the second song is just about the “whos afraid of the big bad wolf” it.
the third song and probably the most meaningful is about an imposter ie. “whos been sleeping in my bed” etc.
the fourth song is french, but about halfway through the song theres an interference with a strange voice, this goes on till the end of the song. the only bits i can understand are,
“my life destroyed” (maybe reffering to the doctor),
“invisible world” (the dalek fleet),
“crimson skies” (the time war)
when RTD was last asked about the bad wolf he hinted that he/she/it hasn¥t been revealed yet. this could mean two things
1. we haven¥t seen this person/thing yet and on saturday we realy will see him/she/it for the first time
or (my personal belief)
2. when RTD says we haven¥t seen him yet he means that we haven¥t seen his true face yet. somebody is pretending to be something they¥re not. they¥ve been hiding their true identity.
My Canditates are:
the doctor and jack

Continuation from above…..
“Adam Hendine” being an anagram of “A Hidden Name”

“Adam Hendine” A MEAN HIDDEN

well hendine is not listed as a surname in the US or Aussie whitepages anyways…
aghagha i’m really confused about all these theories…
all i can say is… common saturday!!!!

All this about Adam having 200000 years worth of data isn’t possible anyway
If you remember back, he only ever acted as a conduit for the information – he sent it to his answerphone along with a message “Don’t delete this – I can read it.”
Of course, that answerphone was later destroyed by the doctor. So Adam doesn’t have access to that information anymore.
And even if he did, the information itself would only be about the human empire. You’re not going to find dalek schematics, details of the history between the doctor and the daleks, or details about the time war either.
So I think it’s definately safe to rule out Adam now. He has nothing to work with.

Hi its lee again,found any clues on graham and peggy yet?reply asap

The peggy and graham factor clues in doctor who(last episode),ppl still dont know the clues yet,Lee and dean,im glad you know about bad wolf and graham and peggy.

Hey don’t start tearing down my name- it’s not my fault what mum and dad called me.
Anyway, it’s also an anagram of “Mine Head-DNA” which is obviously nonsense and “Dianne had me” which is gloriously preposterous.
Personally I’m just desperate to see what the real storyline is, though the theories on here will almost certainly be better than the reality! More of them for a start.
Oh, and “Hunter of the Remove”, can I just say how bona it was to vada the quote from Jule and Sand, that takes me right back. Fabulosa!

hi peeps iv’e herd about peggie and graham how cool this episode is gonna be the best ever bye 4 now i cant belive the master dalek is bad wolf bye 4 now cya l8r bye
from moureen

This ep is cool,i carnt believe bad wolf kills the doctor,bye peeps,tlk at 7

all will be revealed in its proper time
– Blaidd Drwg

I was looking through the Who is dr who site and came accross this
The best thing about the internet is that it doesn’t just contain pictures of Jordan, but lots of other stuff.
There’s very little about “Schlechter Wolf” bombs, for example. That alone is interesting – there should be something about everything on the internet. If there isn’t – well, I’m drawing my conclusions.
But, after a bit of careful digging around, I found a grainy picture or two, and a few nuggests. These bombs appear to have been used during raids on London up until early 1942. They rarely exploded – early theories were that they were “a bit rubbish”, but a few people wondered if something more clever was going on. After all – why bother blowing up a few buildings when you can poison the water supply?
All this chat about chemical weapons meant that people got very worred – had a poke inside some, found nothing, and either lost interest, or became even more worried.
What if they are Hitler’s final weapon?
Maybe bad wolf is nothing except to get people curious, maybe distract them from something else ?

Hm. What if the Bad wolf was the Doctor himself. It seems to me that in the time war the doctor made a decision to anihilate the Dalek race once and for all probably knowing that it might also mean the end of the Timelords. The doctor usually has a back up plan just incase such things go wrong just so that such finalities may not have to be final. Fiddling with peoples memories/minds perhaps even his own so that the consequences of his decision could only be altered in an absolute emergency. Captain jacks memory lost? Last timelord alive? (“I’m alone because it feels loke theres noone else. Up here I would know”). If I were to wipe out two of the most prominent and important races in the universe, I would have to erase my own memory of it and hinder my understanding of what had happened just to make sure that it really would be final.

however I might need my memory of the situation at some point in the future in case the decision went absolutely wrong and wasn’t as final as I had intended. Bad wolf may well be a message that the doctor has sent to himself to try and jog his own memory or to rehabilitate his understanding of what happened in the time war in order to be able to fight the daleks again/bring back the timelords if it were necesary at some future point. The tardis and maybe a few other survivors or observers of the time war could be helping him by sticking up the words Bad wolf everywhere so as to interfere as little as possible with the normal passage of time (sound familiar?).We now know that the Daleks have survived the time war perhaps Bad wolf is the only means of helping the Timelords to come back. What dya fink?

I guess I havent been paying attention, can someone tell me in which episodes and scenes the watcher appears in the new series?

As far as I am aware the Watcher was listed on imdb.com along with davros, I believe that has now been changed and neither of them are now listed. A red herring or a simple mistake, we shall find out on Saturday.

Looks like a bad picture of some sailor if you ask me, never noticed that before. Any ideas anyone?

I have to agree it is not the Doctor, and it aint Tennant either. So who is who? (Sorry could not resist!)

Can I say that BAD WOLF is clearly ‘Mary’-evictee
of the Big Brother6 house.
Shes a witch.She endlessly talked of alien abduction.
She left the house just before the episode was shown.
Its clear to me……
Alternatively its Jake Shears of The Scissor sisters,preparing to resurect Billie piper`s pop career.

Matt, just had a butchers too. It is CE, only with slightly longer hair. Who did you think it was then, if it’s not the Doctor? But I recon it is.
I know I’ve posted this before (somewhere) but I can see RTD leaving a massive cliffhanger on Saturday, to ensure audiences for the next series. However I take der Martin’s theory onboard, it certainly would make sense, considering that the Doctor looked genuinely confused in Boom Town when he recognised ‘Bad Wolf’ in Welsh. He’d seen it before but couldn’t remember when or why. Mmmmm…

I wish I had recorded the first episode. There was something strange in the way the guy put the bin out which engulfed Mickey and turned him into an auton, but I can remember the words on the sign in front of the house. It just seemed too abstract and the guy looked dubious. I keep thinking that there is a clue in that scene.

OK hmmm Well perhaps it IS CE (although why longer hair? and when did UNIT get a photo…?)
I dunno it doesn’t look like him to me – and I thought I’d seen the pic somewhere in this series but I couldn’t place where….
oh well 🙂 nice try as they say, I thought for a moment I’d found a clue :))

The pass pic looks like part of the title sequence where he’s running with soldiers behind him.

The pass pic is the doctor and it is Ce and it has number 9 on the front which might be indicating hes the ninth doctor

Timelords dark side…..Rassilon (sp) (will his true identity open up a can of worms as intimated in some of the “older” episodes?).

Susan….?

I’m under 18 soo i cantgo on ur website mondo can u send it 2 me ?
I also think that it probably is a hoax i bet they have done 4 endings and the one they havnt shown is the one on saturday. because they know that the sun will give away details of the episode

I was thinking that the “bad wolf” was the dalek in episode 6 of the new series and very much agree with what was said earlier about the dalek going into the future to make a new race of daleks. For the “older” fans you should no that davros is well known for his escapes and always manages to use a escape pod somehow to escape the doctor. Maybe that dalek helped davros create some new daleks. At the end of Bad wolf last saturday in the “next time on doctor who” the doctor asks how did you survive the time war and a voice i reconised as the dalek in ep 6 spoke “they survived threw me”. This also links back to when that dalek said that the daleks would ive on threw him. So wot do you think???

I’ll pass it on robbie..when he’s typed it up on his site

i dont know if this has alreaady been mentiond but, couldnt jackie tyler be this “bad wolf”
rose has definetly seen her before and she has seen some of these creatures from other planets. could she not want revenge for the doctor taking rose away?
i also like the adam idea.

I think the Davros/Adam thing is a possibility but I’ve always been intrigued as to why the Doctor calls Mickey, Ricky. At one point he even said something like ‘No, its Ricky’. But hey, that’s probably nothing!
I still maintain that we are NOT going to find out who or what ‘Bad Wolf’ is on Saturday – that’s too neat and there’s got to be some sort of cliffhanger…
I’m inclined to go along the lines of the Tardis being Bad Wolf however, simply because of the comment about the ‘big bad wolf’ being in Rose’s head and doesn’t the Tardis get inside your head?

Mercy I think tahts just the doctors sence of humor..he use to call ian chesterton chesterfield and the Valeyard Nakers yard..grave yard etc…

Has anyone taken into consideration the Face of Boe? I think it is somehow connected, as it has either been seen or referred to in several episodes. We know it is extremely old, and when Rose named it in the Weakest Link game, Anne Droid paused. The Face could also turn out to be someone else–a disguise of some sort. Also, on the Bad Wolf site, Beowulf is mentioned among the ancient references to wolves in Earth lore. Beo/Boe…?

The only way that would work if it was because the last dalek had her dna and had mutated in to a human hybrid…

Rose as bad wolf…she recreated the daleks? Istill go with the time loop idea myself..

I agree…

mercy what do you mean by not complete?

Sorry gtopz – I mean not complete by carrying over the Bad Wolf to the 10th doctor. Its surely a Nemesis and part of the cliffhanger attraction is to never fully reveal its identity…

oh – does Jack get killed?

Skaro= the home planet of the daleks…..
u no wen Van statten internet guy has his memory wiped that lady says put him sumwhere with a s how about skar? how wud she no that???

i hope it isn’t van statten.

Possibly. But knowing the Beeb, could be a red herring…
Does anyone know/care about Jack?

has any1 seen the new doctor who teaser on the bbc. it looks like the tardis is goin 2 be hit by missiles.

That depends. On whether the T.A.R.D.I.S is indestructable or not.
Would be great to see loads of smoke and a big explosion….and then out of it, the T.A.R.D.I.S comes speeding through.

i now think that its the doctor cos think at the first doctor who it didnt show us how he regenerated
and in the ninth doctor the master got stuck in the tardis.so i think that becouse the master can change his appearance , i think he is pretending to be the doctor and when everyone has asked him who he is he does nt say and i think jack is a time lord from gallifrey and he is hiding alot he seems to have more knoledge than the doctor thats what i think

The TARDIS is indistructable….though it is getting abit old now….

Gallifrey as Bad Wolf….I think that’s a little far out. It would result in the same issue as The Master being Bad Wolf. Alienating the new fans. Also, wouldn’t that undermine like 40 years of Dr. Who? Lol

again, as a newcomer, but as a sci-fi fan, i think it would be brilliant if it had been the master all along, or davros, or anything that ties to old great storylines. Surely though, logic would dictate that, a series with a real emphasis on new viewers (and probably not sci-fi fans, cos lets be honest, EVERY sci fi fan in the UK will watch who regardless) will not have a tie in to who history, especially a part regarded as controversially.

deamack can u email the previews plz ?

scrap that just found it…

For eevryone asking about the pic on the UNIT website, its an old picture of CE, search on google images for CE and you’ll find it. It was just mocked up for teh website and they obviously only had access to that headshot and made it quickly. Its not an imposter or a clue, it really is CE!

thanks odin.
its just puzzling to think what angle RTD will come from. you can introduce adam as davros in a way that wouldnt deal with the fact he existed before this series, maybe this is his beginning, even for the original series. dunno how accurate that would be. so younger fans would love a mutated psycho adam now davros. and to be honest, while it may not gel with continuity, the fanboys would be happy just to see davros again.
or simply a new villain, called badwolf.RTD saying that this series will stand on its own, without rehashing old villains. anyway it goes, i’m loving it.

ok just been watching “Boom town” over to see if there are any more clues and i think we’ve all missed one of the biggest hints of the series!
If anyone has mentioned this before and I’ve just missed it appologies but i have to put this out there just in case.
Basically when margret enters the tardis shesays “This is the technology of the gods”
The dr answers “Don’t worship me I’d make a terrible god…”
Then throughout the whole date thing it comes up again that he is acting as a god. It only struck a cord when i heard the teaser with the “I am the god of the daleks.” and the daleks saying “worship him worship him.” Might be unrelated but just thought there might be more significance what does everyone think?”
This was orignally from sarah harper but she got me 2 pass it on

just wondering. if the ray things in ‘bad wolf’ teleport people, why was there a pile of dudt lest behind when the anne-droid zapper rose? whe jack shot lynda,with a y, there was no dudt left there….

I was impressed by the suggestion that Bad Wolf might be a message sent by the Doctor to his future self, a la some Star Trek episode or other which I canít remember, although I do vaguely recall something along the lines of:
ìWho told you that?î
ìYou did!î
Perhaps Iím thinking of ìNo fate but what we makeî. (T2)
I will be recording a novelty Christmas record: ìBad Wolves in the Nightî, to the tune of ìStrangers in the Nightî:
ìSomething in my heart ñ told me I must have ewe..î

is deamack still on ?

Robbie, another excellent point. I was so sure it was the Dalek from Ep. 6 and everyone is confusing me now!!

If the 3rd ending is the real ending that would be a brilliant cliffhanger for the christmas episode

I dont wanna ruin it 4 ppl but on the 3rd endin jak says ” i am the master ” but i think hes havin a jk with them

this whole bad wolf thing is realy confusin me… i am one of the younger generation who have only seen this 1st series, and could someone please tell me what ideas everyone has come up with so far…?

ps…
has anyone mentioned that “bad wolf” could be an anagram?

http://www.simonsays.com/content/content.cfm?sid=183&pid=506600
Fitch is a term for a kind of bacon (back to little pigs again) and there’s a credited character called Fitch in the episode “Bad Wolf”. I think the above link should fill in the rest of the gaps. Quite where the Doctor and Rose fit into this theory is beyond me, but it seems a fairly compelling argument nonetheless.

the 1 problem with adam grafittin bad wolf on the tardis is that he lives in nottingham not london.

this new dr who is ace… i remember my parents trying to get me to watch the old stuff but i wasnt at all interested…. now i am completely obsessed on trying to find out what (or who) bad wolf is…lol
i just cant wait to see the final episode of the season

The one that has annoyed me with the series was that there was only 1 episode a week.

No i wont because it would be unfair on them.

Oh yea sorry I’m Back peeps! MONDO..thanks for the insight very good but could there have been a fourth one?

How about two of the stories being in one.I meen th2nd and 3rd version..have another look and see what i meen….

More shooting on sat 5…

H ementiond one of the endings that were shot..but as it’s mentiond by others it’s ok..If you don’t know Mondo Has them on his site..you have to be over 18 to see it

Ah you’ve been on the site..yes that one….

I am over 18!! And I thought I’d visited it!! http://www.beyondatari.com????

By the way, you lot probably knew this but I’ve just discovered that the real Sat 5 provides visible and infrared images of cloud cover, snow and ice and the sea surface and gathers information on the vertical structure of temperature and moisture in the atmosphere.
So now you know.

if it is the 2nd ending i hope jack would be in the next series and not get killed off in the christmas special.

Its made it more interesting with the endings out.

this has got nothin 2 do with who the bad wolf is.u know the bit in boom town where mickey comes in the tardis its a good comedy act them 3 rose the doctor and jak

Yeah – painkillers for knee. And going to bed now. If I don’t dream about all this it’ll be a miracle…still, a few dreams about a certain Capn wouldnt go amiss…!!!
Goodnite fellow Who-ies x

ye i know u did

in the older series were the master and the doctor a good comedy act ?

g2g bye speak 2 u 2morrow

I must go too Night all and remember “go forward with all your beliefs, and prove to me that i’m not mistaken in mine!”

The Daleks will be back. Its easy. They have a base on station 5, they have all of their ships and their units just need some sort of fresh DNA strand to kick start them again.
Adam could do it. The Master could do it.
And most importantly of all, Davros isn’t connected to the new hive so he isn’t taken down with the rest. He survives. The screenings don’t make this clear, but he isn’t part of the new Dalek hive, he runs it, along with the new Emperor, but he is not connected. Therefore, if the version with Davros in it is the correct one, this is an easy way back for the Daleks – Davros just starts again.

It could be said that it was difficult for the Daleks to return this time round! They were presumed wiped out in the time war but still we are here, looking forward to seeing them swarm out of their ships.
If they came back from that, they can come back again. Plus, Davros could very easily be involved. And all the time he is around the Daleks can make a return.
They won’t be wiped out 100% forever. Put yourself in the BBCs shoes. They know they have a winner on their hands, they are not going to let the number one bad guy be destroyed forevever.
Don’t worry – there is always a way back in Sci-Fi!

ëthe obvious phrase is; “who’s afraid of the big bad wolf?”í
Perhaps it is Fear Itself?
It is taking on a life of its own as with regard to something which does not seem quite right, but you canít prove it. Hopefully this will not be dispelled on Saturday when it turns out to be Doctor Fu Man Chou N. Ginsberg MA (failed).
On May 18, 1965, the Daily Mail carried a ten-line paragraph with the headline ‘Double meaning’. Without a hint of irony it reported: ‘The BBC has called the attention of the cast of the Light Programme series Round The Horne about words capable of double meaning. A spokesman for the Corporation said, “There have been complaints and we ourselves have noted a tendency towards a play on words capable of double meaning.” ‘ The producers were instructed by the BBC to cut out double entendres as these were said to be giving offence to some listeners of the Light Programme.
In a subsequent episode there followed a scene in which Kenneth Williams, while playing the fiendish Japanese mastermind Chou N. Ginsberg MA (failed) – or was it J. Peasmold Gruntfuttock, the strangle-voiced Archbishop of Hoxton? – feigned to run out of patience with the inadequacy of the script and began a faux ad lib about how this work was undermining the integrity of an artiste of his high calibre.
‘I shouldn’t be doing this rubbish,’ Williams shrieked. ‘I’m a star. I dun films. I dun Shakespeare. I dun Bottom. They all want my Bottom. Producers all over the West End want my Bottom. Audiences want my Bottom. They’re clamouring for my Bottom. But they can’t ‘ave my Bottom because I’m here doin’ this rubbish.
The world,’ he brayed like a donkey, ‘is crying out for my Bottom but it can’t ‘ave it.’ This outburst, with much emphasis on the word Bottom, was accompanied with a full range of visual theatrical tricks: the prissy, pursed mouth, the mask of mock outrage, the flaring nostrils, the quivering crescendos, the Queen-like indignation and the haughty camp mince from the stand-up microphone in the Paris Studio in Lower Regent Street to his chair beside the brown-coated sound effects man, while the studio audience howled with incontinent laughter.
After this there were further gags from Jules and Sandy, the two ‘resting’ gay chorus boys who ran the domestic help agency Rentachaps, about ‘ sucking a Fisherman’s Friend’ to cure a cold and even urbane anchor man Kenneth Horne, the Horne of Round The Horne, appeared to be infected with this impudent coded V-sign to the panjandrums of BBC dictat when he introduced the show by announcing: ‘The other night I was fiddling with my nine-inch Bakelite Bush when…’ Smut. Filth. Innuendo. What untold dirt was lurking in the shadows here?
Havenít had this much fun since the night the ironing board was bent in two.
Kenneth Williams can be seen in “The Little Hut” in Leicester Square

Has anyone considered that possibly Bad Wolf refers to the Doctor, and not any mysterious masked villain?
Consider:
1. Gwyneth (the psychic girl) had indicated Rose had met the Bad Wolf already, yet as that is in episode 3, there is really only a finite number of possibilities. Of the people possible, we can narrow it down as being someone recurring to the series:
– The Doctor
– The Face of Boe
– Mickey (unlikely)
– Rose’s Mom (very unlikely)
2. The “Bad Wolf” appearances seem to me to indicate they are labelling the Doctor. Look to:
– The spraypainting on the TARDIS
– The Blaidd Drwg banner that only the Doctor notices
– The Bad Wolf corporation is controlled by the Doctor’s mortal enemies
– Gwyneth reffered to whomever Rose had encountered as the Big Bad Wolf
An alternate theory of mine is perhaps that the TARDIS itself has manufactured these events. I can elaborate on that later though I suppose. 😉

Nobody has mentioned the Face of Boe.
I think he is the Bad Wolf.

RTD has just been on Breakfast news on BBC1. They show a preview of Saturday’s episode… The Daleks try to kill the Doctor as he comes out of his Tardis, but their weapons don’t work. The Doc says “so how does it feel to experience fear? You have human DNA down inside you somewhere”, (or something like that). He then says that the Daleks fear him and says “Do you know what they call me through time?” (on other planets or someting like that – I was so shocked I didn’t write it all down so excuse the woolliness) “They call me ‘The oncoming storm'” and then he says “how did you survive the Time War?” turns around to face the Dalek voice that says, “They survived through me” and looks up. Well, it’s pretty certain that they have Roses DNA but I think that they have been re-created by Adam going on the look on CE’s face. I could be wrong, but it’s definately nothing to do with Jack!
Wasn’t expecting to see that at 9am this morning!

Oh and furthermore, he would not disclose anything about the Bad Wolf theme when Natasha Kaplinski questioned him about it. The sh*it that he is. God! he must be making a killing out of this! Wish I had his bank ballance!

I dont believe the Daleks are a killing machine anymore, and just want to take over the human race to create more of themselves. In all the clips I’ve not seen a weopon fired from a Dalek yet.
Dave

ATTN TOM COATES
“To CE and billypiper, frankly shame on you – lying and taking advantage of people’s good nature and desire to believe that they’re talking to people from the Doctor Who series – you should be enormously embarrassed by the whole thing”
You should be ashamed for yourself for allowing a site that kids surf to have a link to an ADULT pornography link
I am going to keep posting until I get a answer from you – how can you justify telling off CE and billypiper when theres numerous people on this site – including a teacher advertsing a porn site!

I am the teacher and I apologise – I wasn’t really on the planet when I checked out the link as you may see – I got subtly told off by Deamack for advetising the spoilers…
I do agree with you and I am sorry I was a bit thick last night…I wouldn’t want my students on it thats for sure…

Hi all. This is the first time I’ve posted here-I was just wondering if someone could e-mail me the possible endings too cos I’m under 18-thanks for ure help!

Tom Coates, I have to say I love your site and this huge discussion on all the theories. I’ve stopped reading them all today, because I think the most interesting theories have already been posted. I am waiting impatiently for the episode on saturday now. And I would really like to come and dicuss it right after it’s been aired.
I’m from the Netherlands and I will watch this season again when it airs on the Dutch television in 2006.
And I hate not being able to watch BBC three, ‘cos the Confidential episodes on the website are in such low res. 🙁

Franko, I will not buy the Sun even for DW! But I really want to know!!

Have you heard of TOSHK

Cheers Franko, I’m also holed up at home with a sprained knee so I won’t be going near a newsagents!! Have emailed you…

er…not sure…know what you mean tho – and I’ve already been told off by someone for inadvertently advertising the site and I’m a teacher..!!!
Anyone?
You could always buy the Sun although thats almost as bad as visiting the site!

The more I think about what is being revealed through this week in Press releases, website leaks, and indeed here, etc. the more I am convinced of the following:
1) Bad wolf is not actually a character of any description but is a message whose content could be similar to what Hunter of the Remove has already said, but might also be broader in nature
2) The full significance of Bad wolf will not be revealed in the final episode (ep13). The cryptic nature of the whole thing has kept us going frantic in fandom for a couple of months now and RTD (Clever sod that he is) would be silly to put an end to it when he could prolong it through into the next series thus securing without a shadow of a doubt the loyal following of many new fans, some of whomm have been writing here. RTD is not a man who puts formulas that work to bed.
3)a fourth ending aside from the ones already leaked would fit into RTDs train of thought and marketing stratagey. The other three ending may well appear in a Dvd in the future (Beeb laughing all the way to the Woolwich).

I think that we will get the answer, remember that at the time of filming it was still uncertain as to whether there would be second series or not, it all depended on the ratings. I think that said that the news of the third series may provide RTD with a longer story line should he so wish. As to a loyal following of fans, I think that he has already achieved that, don’t you?!

from geocomtex site
‘ve got a brand new RH-390 S12. The pins aren’t properly set.
Whoops! Our mistake. There was a transposition when the manual was printed. The correct sequence is:
-… .- -.. .– — .-.. ..-.
Not sure if noticed but bit at end is morse code for bad wolf. Now as the site also contains a shopping list to build your own dalek, and to get that dalek running correctly you need to set this code…

yes but b4 the 3rd episode who has been involved alot ?

Do you really think its as easy as bad wolf being the Doctor?
Or Mickey?! Joke!

But take the concept of the end of the world. When Rodrick tells Rose about Bad Wolf Corporation she says its like its written all over the universe. Well, isnt the end of the world written all over the universe?
I don’t know. I don’t really want to work it all out cos I want to go ‘what the hell?’ on Saturday night!

I like the idea of Davros and the Emperor Dalek. I less like the idea of Jackbeing the Master but it could be quite possible since Jack will be in it next season but not the first few episodes.

Good point Robbie

they have but with the pop up clik on it and it comes up with it

Sorry mercy..that should be pills!!!!

Ok i found it..

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/breakfast/4096036.stm
every1 go on this link it is wicked it is the interview wid RTD and it shows the clip

I wish…

Just havin a look robbie

I think That Bad Wolf Is The Master, We have not seen hime yet and as he is the dr’s other enemy and he saved the darleks and now they worship him.

It could be the Master..though there are newcomers to the show who wouldn’t know who he was…abit difficult to cram that in as well in 45mins..

Very nice!!!What about her mother and not grandmother??

Arent we forgetting that Davros was originally from the planet Skaro and NOT planet Earth?

No? What’s that?

Deamack right click on this page. Scroll down and select View Source. Once that window is up scroll down until you find the theory. I’m not posting it cos Tom wouldve done that if he’d wanted everyone to see it indiscriminately..
Dave – are you serious?

Yeah I do think there’s something in the whole missing 2 years thing. Do you not think Jack’s the Master? Not Bad Wolf, I mean, but the Master?
I agree about BW – I think its a thing rather than one person..

What? When?

WHO dose that remind you of?

He was driving..cant remeber the name of it but they had to borrow it because he can only drive a Automatic..he beat Vinnie Jones!

Nice one….So he could have the beard in relation to Tom’s idea…

Yes..nice isn’t it?? Arn’t i evil…he,he,he..

A i do…MY GOD ! AAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!

NA ! Jokeing..i’m a bit to fat to be him….

On something I said earlier, I also think the Daleks don’t actually shoot humans anymore, but they need to touch them and acquire there DNA and hence the latest clip with Rose where the Dalek is extending it’s other arm, which maybe some sort of Re-generation device to grab DNA.
Think back with the clip where Jack is firing a machine gun at 3 Daleks. He was in there sites for a long time, but nothing, not a shot fired from the Daleks. Apart from seing them fire the missiles at the Tardis, I’ve not seen any other evidence that there main weopon is actually working.
Could the Daleks main purpose now be to regenerate?
Is Bad Wolf the Time Agency,
Is Bad Wolf the Internet, who knows where the Doctor is in time.
This is driving me nuts.
Dave

Dave, take some deep breaths and remember that this is not real.
You could be right about the DNA thing – it is a new twist. I dont believe Rose ending up in the Transmat beam across to the Dalek ship was an accident. I’m not sure even the Controller was fully in control when she got them all inside the games either.
But please don’t let it drive you nuts…that would be a shame. Here have some painkillers.

Its OK Dave, Mercy’s got loads of painkillers!

Now Rose…well..say no more!

Sorry Dave…we’ve gone off the subject AGAIN!!
How are you feeling?

Ah i see..so let’s start up a new theory..what if bad wolf is’nt who we all think..what about it being the valeyard?

Yeah. Fear. But the Daleks are emotionless….again, leading me to believe that the Dalek from Ep.6 has used Rose’s Human Emotions and DNA in the creation of the new race.

http://www.pagefillers.com/dwrg/valeyard.htm
Here. Go here.

Deamack you are SO annoying. I was trying to get back into writing reports and now the whole Valeyard thing has completely distracted me once again!
Shame on you, Master..

That would make snce Odin..The way they act saying ‘worship him!’ Very human..If it is the dalek from ep6 then he was mutating from rose’s dna therefor into Rose? or her Mum? This could meen thatrose is Bad Wolf!

No no…go back to the Valeyard – its not as implausible as you think

Well think about what the Doctor said to Lynda (with a Y) when he saw the earth from the observation platform…he said ‘I made this world’..and we know that he’s left a trail of destruction behind him at different points…maybe he isn’t who he thinks he is.
But then again, its not between regenerations so I dont know and it would probably be too complicated to fit into 45 minutes anyway..
Oh shut up mercy…

But that would mean that a being that is essentially spiritual has taken on a corporeal identity wouldnt it?

Good point Kat..

If it sis he would of created the new race in his own eye..that being abit human..that’s why they are afraid of the doctor..

Was that a gentle rebuke Deamack?

Hey, you’re beginning to sound like Jack…

Some do say i have a bit of an american accent!

Bristol actually…..Yee ha!

Your first being?

O no not another craze-driven youngling who needs painkillers…
Paris, of course…

Ah Paris….never been. That near Liverpool?

Hey Chunks – have you read Tom’s theory?

All your theories are awesome! I can’t wait for the last Dr. Who! Here in Canada we are a week behind. This Tuesday past just played Boom Town. I so can’t wait to find out what happens.
Anyways, I have no theory of my own, all my thoughts have already been said. But I’ve enjoyed reading this site.

Nice to hear from you Addey..Bad wolf episode is brill….

Oh wow…you have an extra week of CE to go..I’m so jealous…I hope we haven’t spoiled it too much for you

What are you going to do in Paris?

Yea we don’t want to ruin it all for you..

Thats funny, I have CE on my desktop at home…

I re did a banner of him from the beebs site..I could email it to you if you like..

Nope – just saying gdnite to addey. Was that comment about the banner to me or someone else?

i’ll have a go at doing one of Jack at the weekend if i get a chance

where did you get your pics of the different cast members from?

Well i got them from the bbc site and re-do them.
Jack is a good laugh.
Mercy check your mail

My pleasure…

NOPE IM STILL HERE

owel im gonna go guys.
only 2 more days to go.. and not even an army of darleks are gonna stop me watching this final episode 🙂

See ya Chunky. Know what you mean – I’m sposed to be having a party but they can all wait til 7.45…

A party? are we all invited?

Can someone ecplain the Face of Boe theory to me? Lots of people have thought it could be her but I just don’t get it…:S

I have a 2nd doctor costume..somewhere if it still fits!
I think they believe that becuse FOB has been around for so long and keeps croping up..(in sat 5 he was shown on bad wolf tv and rose’s answer on sat)that he is bad wolf..i think that’s it ..am i right?

Beside he/she is in a jar..what’s all that about?

Take to with some water..quickly…

Maybe the FoB is…what is it when you can reproduce yourself? Plants do it..

Right u lovely people I’m off to that place where everything seems much more real…
Night night Robbie, Odin, Deamack…anyone else..

Happy Birthday.
For next week.
When all will have been revealed..

I also liked the Idea that Jack was somehow given a mission before his memory was wiped. I think the two years of his memory are a big piece of the puzzle. I also think it is not coincidental that Rose and the doctor never really tackle the question of jack’s memory. The doctor blatanlty doesnt seem to care that his memory has been wiped. I think most other incarnations would certainly want to know why someone would wipe his memory and would make it a greater priority to find out unless he already knew/suspected the reason behind the loss. There is a great moment of tension when The doctor asks Rose why she trusts him at all. Its like a lot of the Doc’s decisions i.e. that he is really sceptic about trusting dodgy/evil but wants to give him the benefit of the doubt, just incase he can change. What do you guys think?

regarding CE on top gear, he said he has a beard cus for ages he has had to be completly clean shaven for his role as the doctor, so now he just cant be bothered to shave, i have been there with a previous job i had to religously shave every day, then when in a new job i has a beard for 8 months because i could… or maybe he is covering and he has a beard cus he is the master.
Personally i think that the BBC is being too much credit and the whole thing is over analised. I think that the whole bad wolf thing will come as somewhat of an anticlimax and just be the dalek threat.
Still we will se soon

Hi folks, just noticed something. It’s late and I’m Tired and probably very paranoid but please bear with me. At the beginning of the episode Bad wolf the doctor stumbles out of the transmat and is met by a new girl/housemate. As the new Girl asks “so, what’s your name then sweetheart?” a Close up zoom shot begins. Although it appears that the close up is of the doctor and the girl, right in the centre of the shot (behind them)a Purple painting is lurking with what to me looks very like the picture of the BW on the badwolf.org.uk website. To me it is the same picture only in purple. As the Bad wolf on the wall becomes clearer, so does the name of the paintor – “Jenny”. Sweet at first just like in the fairy tale. Thoughts anyone?

This Laura Fraser, credited as Tardis Voice, in some places. She played Red Riding Hood “Good Day for the Bad Guys”, but I can’t find any more details of this Scottish short film. Anything in this do you think?

Well Lets stop discussing it its giving me a headache and the fact this page has to now a 56k, 128k, 512k adsl, 1mb cable, user hell to read as it takes over 10 seconds on a 2 meg connection to get to the dam bottom to enter this text and just watch BBC1 AT 6:15pm TO 7:45pm on saturday, then switch over to BBC Three from 7:45pm to 8:00pm and find out but knowing how the storyline has gone so far it you will be waiting till the 25th of December to find out as Christopher Eccleson has a part in the christmas special as the BBC t\/\//\ts will make us wait!

ok bit of wild speculation. this will be wrong if whats on mondos site is right but…
ive seen ce do two interview recently. just before the start of the series he was on jonathan ross and quite a lot was made of his big ears (it showed the clip from rose)and i think also he said something about having big googly eyes (not %100 on this).
also on his recent top gear appearance he went on about how he wanted to MASTER the car just like he really wanted to MASTER his acting roles.
i think you can tell what my favourite theory is, cant think of any other reasons ce & dt would be in the last ep and the xmas special.
also for all you technically meinded people, i stumbled on a site called borogrove.tripod.com
this seems very strnge and quite in keeping. any way of finding out who is behind the site (no pun intended)

in todays clip look in back ground and u’ll see the dalek from ep 27×06 its very clear to see too

Grrr. Oh come on now, that’s a bit unfair. This is my personal site – and while I try my best to make it a place where conversations like this can happen, I’m also not working for you. I have another full time job, other responsibilities and I don’t have time to check every single bloody comment of the 750 or so that have been posted so far.
Looking back at the comments, no – I’m not thrilled by the presence of the beyondatari link on this site, although I should point out that it itself links to an adult site rather than being one. To be honest, I’m not sure I have the time to go through all the posts and remove those references, particularly as they’re not exactly pornographic. Can I suggest that if you have a particular issue with the person concerned that you ask them to remove that content from their site as well? I’ll look into doing at this end, as well, but no bloody promises.

looks like the emperor dalek does make an appearance after all. you can see him in the trailer on the big screen above where the daleks are standing

The return of the Emperor Dalek, an octopus-like creature in a glass cylinder which is part of a giant Dalek structure with a dome head.
thATS the dalek from ep 06 like i said earlier
with roses dna

Julie Gardner interview on the BBC website states quite clearly the Daleks will be back, so don’t worry folks, they are too popular to drop.

Today’s trailer has a Dalek (or whatever it is) saying “All hail the Doctor, the great exterminator”. So the assumption is he (accidentally) wiped out every living being in the Time Wars?

I have been so sure all along that Bad Wolf, was that unseen voice, which was the Dalek from ep.6. After watching todays trailer I am no so sure. The voice that says “All hail the Doctor, the great exterminator” has tone. No Dalek’s voice has ever had any tone to it.

The Bad Wolf, has to be the Doctor!! Right?? Anything else would be too complicated for 45 minutes. Then again, who says BBC will let us know within Saturdays episode. Might let it drag on. By the way, if anyone has any theories: –
Bad Wolf is an anagram of : –
DAB FLOW
DAB WOLF
DAB FOWL
BAD FLOW
BAD WOLF
BAD FOWL
BAWD FLO
FLAB DOW
FDA BLOW
FDA BOWL
FAD BLOW
FAD BOWL
FLAW BOD

Thinking outside the box re the face of Boe. What happened to the rest of his body?

adrian i just got bak from school and it doesnt sound right does it.does h regenerate in the christmas episode or know?

By the way has anyone noticed this:
If you go to the UNIT website http://www.unit.org.uk and login with the password “buffalo” (as in the episode WWIII), it welcomes you as the Doctor and lets you play again where you steer a missile around the world. Most of you have probably noticed this already…
But today, just by chance, I noticed that you can also login with the password “badwolf” to reveal another webpage. It might be a red herring, but there could be a clue or two in the text…

We’ve had almost every character suggested – discussions repeating self. So, here’s a few new suggestions to talk about.
Moxx Balhoon says that it is a bad wolf scenario. Mox is a type of nuclear fuel. The episode is called “end of the world”
Nuclear power plant in Boom Town called Bad Wolf
TV company called Bad Wolf
Gwneth talks about the bad wolf in a story about the rift and the gelf
Bad Wolf TV talks about storm chaos
In the first appearance of the Daleks back in the 60s with William Hartnell, they were trying to blow up a nuclear bomb so the daleks could live outside their compound. RTD says the solution will please 1960 fans.
SO – maybe Badwolf is a plan. The Daleks intend to use the TV company to lure the doctor into their plan. What is the plan? To blow up a Mox Nuclear plan on Earth killing human beings and making the world radioactive. They plan to do this near the rift – perhaps the Daleks are in league with the gelf. By doing this, daleks can inhabit the earth and live without the dalek casing. That way it would be hard to bring them back at a later date, and would explain why Rose can’t return to earth. Also the comment Moxx made was in an episode called “the end of the world”. Whether the emporer dalek is involved or the gelf I dunno. But I don’t think the master or davros will appear at such a late stage.

Another random and very improbable thought. Could Rose be the grand daughter of Susan?

Maybe the Daleks should go back to school!

I would like to thank you guys and gals for a pleasure filled few days. Especially, Odin, Mercy and Hunter of the remove. I live very very far from all things Doctor Who and have very little chance of talking about what has been my favorite TV show ever since I was Born 33 years ago. Thanks to Mr. T Coates. and thank you to all who have read the sight and refrained from posting spoilers. To people everywhere who have been hearing or seeing the word “Davros” for the first time. There have been only a few dictators in the history of the human race who are scary than him. Here is a short list:
1) Atila the Hun
2) Genghis Khan
3) Adolf Hitler
4) Emeperor Nero
5) Pol Pot
6) Margaret Thatcher
7) General Pinochet
Not overly sure about atilla though. Take care you all. And enjoy Saturdays episode
Bye for now

I feel I should point something out here to Der Martin if only to validate my degree in German. Schlechter can mean bad or badly OR more bad (i.e. worse). In this case it is clearly an adjective meaning bad wolf in the sense either of evil wolf or not very good wolf. The German is therefore fine. So if you are German, Der Martin, as your name would imply, then you don’t know you’re own language.

Sorry Mercy – must have missed your post re Susan. I guess it would be poss for her to be involved – but would require a lot of explanation I guess. Don’t think it would be her per se that was involved – just related to Rose. Anyway, it was a far fetched idea – don’t really think it has much to do with it.

Was watching ‘The Doctor Dances’ (only CE could get away with that..) today and I am concerned about Jack’s missing years… They can’t put that in the storyline and leave it unresolved…
Anyone?

Well, Addey, who can blame you…what with these painkillers I’m on I keep drifting from the Doctor to Jack and back again in some wierd delierious state…

My thoughts upon seeing Rose’s panic in the Tardis were that she was spooked by the Doctor’s regeneration.
There’s always a period of ‘are you really the Dr?’ type hysterics!
…and I love the ‘Hello. New teeth.’ line – classic Dr Who.
Has anyone seen the cool pics from (horrifically) ‘The Sun’ website – the Doctor regenerating and lots of lovely glowy effects?

Hi every one…I think sSusan went off with a guy called cambell but they ahd a chap named Tyler with them..he saved susan from the daleks..perhaps her son? So the doctor whould save her so her son would help save Susan and the earth rebelion in the future…

I meant significant or a co-incidence!!

I just HAVE to post this somewhere. The BadWolf site has a link to http://www.pantheon.org/articles/f/fenrir.html. On that page it says, “They caught the wolf and locked him in a cage. Only the god of war, Tyr, dared to feed and take care of the wolf.” However, the wolf bites off Tyr’s hand.
Who only has one arm? Davros. Could it be that a dalek caused the loss of the arm? I haven’t seen any of the new series: I’m in the US. Does anyone lose an arm in “Dalek”?

But if he’s the god of war…then that makes the Emperor dalek the bad wolf

I my spilling gottron worce or whet?

is the time war on dvd ?

Perhaps it hasn’t happened yet..really.
Perhaps in a wierd time loop maybe this IS the Time War..or rather the End of the Time War…

No they wont’. RTD said that daleks were this series. They’ve DONE daleks.

So what about Jack’s ship from the future. It can time travel, and was left floating in space back in the 1940’s. Have a look at the Unit Org site here :
http://www.unit.org.uk/press/bombs.shtml
It says that the bombs are not going off, so did the one in Jacks ship not go off? If it didn’t???
Dave

Ooh ooh…I was watching The Doctor Dances today…yeah – what did happen to Jack’s ship and the bomb when Rose and the Doctor rescued him? AND WHAT HAPPENED IN THOSE 2 YEARS?

He could be a time agent sent by the Time lords…who are hiding out of time…

About the clip which was shown today, you can clearly see the Dalek from what looks like Ep 6 BUT is appears to be on a computer screen of some sort.
Also, he is speaking the guy which the voice as he turns his head in a different direction. Seeing as though, the Dalek and Adam were both in Ep 6 surely they could be connected in some way?
Also, maybe Cptn Jack’s missing years is part of a major storyline for series 2 as he comes back?
Who’s to say that all the theories are to be put into one episode?

I HAVE THE SAME PRIBLOM…SORRY PROBLEM !

Going off top from Doctor Who but shouldn’t there be a second page by now?

Na ! it’s good to have a good read..what’s your theory on Bad Wolf then Zhord?

Er Deamack you need to check out http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/story/0,,1507668,00.html
http://www.planetwho.co.uk/news/EEElAFllyuXWrazZgL.shtml
The tendril thing…

I have been trying to think of the connection of the William Blake poem “The Sick Rose”
O Rose thou art sick
The invisible worm,
That flies in the night
In the howling storm:
Has found out thy bed
Of crimson joy:
And his dark secret love
Does thy life destroy.
The part of the invisible worm flying by night in the storm describes how Jack met Rose–taking her to his invisible ship hovering in the middle of the blitzkrieg.
Could this have any relevance?

My veiws is that the Bad Wolf is the Doctor.. although he is not neccessary bad, he must do something in the last episode to proof this.
The only evidence I have to back it up is when in the gas mask child episodes, the mother/girl says “What big ears you have.” Surely a clue?
Also, I believe that Cptn Jack could well be the Woodcutter guy that saves Red Riding Hood like in the story. I dunno why yet?
But I also believe that Adam IS invloved in the story. As I was saying, in the latest clip, as the Doctor is speaking to the octopus-Dalek on the screen facing one way, as the booming voice speaks, the Doctor turns his head towards someone (or something else).
Could the octopus-Dalek be the Dalek from Ep 6? I mean, we didn’t see it self-destruct so maybe it teleported to the Dalek ships, which must have been above the Earth all this time, manipulating history.
I do not believe that The Master is invloved in the story. He is gone until RTD finds away from bringing him back.
Not sure about the Emperor Dalek. Myabe its Adam suggesting that he is the God of them.
I dunno, but when people make theories, you need proof to back it up

why didnt we think about that!anagram’s very good!
But who is it?

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Like somebody said above, don’t forget it’s fiction 😉

Sorry no

To the people asking about a second page – this isn’t a web forum, this a weblog. It’s my personal site. There will never be a second page. I’m trying to work out how long to leave the comments on this page open for, actually – I would feel bad to close it before the episode in question, but I’m not sure I shouldn’t let all the discussion continue afterwards.

It would be intresting to keep open Tom…To see what every body makes of it..plus it sounds like the christmas episode will continue from the cliffhanger tomorrow!
Graet site by the way..laters!

Why are you leaving D?

The problem with keeping it open is that the web page is now very very big and people are accessing it a lot to read what other people are saying, and refreshing the page a lot and the more people use it the more bandwidth I use up, and – in theory – the more money it costs me to run the site. Mostly this isn’t an issue because the pages don’t get this long.
Let me rephrase – a normal page on my site is about 10k in size. This one is about 500k in size. If someone loads this page up six times, it’s as if they’d downloaded a full song file from my site. To have the equivalent effect with one of the other pages would need someone to look at it about three hundred times. It’s not a problem right now, but it would be a problem if the thread just got larger and larger after the show had aired. After all we have had 969 comments on this thread so far…..
That’s why I think maybe I should be considering closing the thread soon. Because it could start costing me money. If you want it to stay open, I’d say maybe don’t treat it like a chatroom and only post something if you’ve really got something to say?

Back again..I see your problem Tom…You do what you think is right…

i think that jack will have a major part in either this series or the next.
he definetly seems a bit suspicious.

that is a possiability. i did hear a theory that jack could be the dr as CE got eaten in the fathers day episode.
i dont see how this would work though as surely once time was restored all the people eaten in fathers day would come back.
any suggestions?

If the Bad Wolf thing turns out to be some cheesy anagram I will be really terminally disappointed.
Anagrams are so predictable and improbable.

fill in the blanks.. its got to be when the dr gets exterminated..
the next one could possiably be when jack tricks rose.. this would fit in with one of the endings possiably meaning jack is the master!!

bad wolf could be in the tardis… wasnt there one of the bad guys from dr who trapped inside the tardis?

so maybee the master is controaling the TARDIS from the inside

I’d be interested to know what is inside the TARDIS in the trailers when Rose is trying to get out…what can possibly be in there?
Is it the Master? Is it a Dalek? Is it the Doctor? Is it something worse?

worse….

Could be onto something there, about the TARDIS. Maybe the master has become one with the tardis and now controls the pattern of the doctor and rose. After all, the TARDIS gets into your head, manipulating what you perceive. But, the TARDIS herself has been leaving clues and the daleks know this, because through Adam they have required time machine technology again, hence being able to send the Dalek back in time to retrieve Rose’s DNA. As the Doctor says, time changes, one mistake and boom… a delicate balance.
We’ll find out tomorrow night…

Sounds good but i cant see him wanting to stay as the tardis..can you?

Sorry, a ‘she’

hi

Hi Sam…http://www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho/news.shtml
Julie Gardner interview. The exec producer’s end of season report.
That’s what she says..They will be back!

I reckon that the theory involving Mickey and Adam is quite plausable. However, how do Mickey and Adam come to meet eachother? The rest of the theory can make sense but that part is quite thin. I reckon that Adam may well become Davros (the eye) and Mickey was killed by Adam for ceize of power a long time ago.
Just can’t wait for tomorrows episode! David Tennant is going to be as good, if not better than Christopher Eccleston.

This makes me chuckle;
If the Bad Wolf thing turns out to be some cheesy anagram I will be really terminally disappointed.
Anagrams are so predictable and improbable.
→ Posted by: Adam Hendine at June 17, 2005 10:00 PM
If they’re so predicatable, it’s only 7 letters. Give me the anagram.
http://www.daleklinks.com
my fathers website, i suggest you all drool over the pic of the emperor dalek in tomorrows episode

Why not better? Tennant has so much charisma and Davies has chosen him for a reason. Although personally, I would love to see Alan Davies as the Doctor. :P!

i looked at the emperor dalek picture and its a gr8 pic

Ahh well. Has anyone else seen the picture from the Sun of the Emporer Dalek? Anyway, back to David Tennant, I wonder what clothes he is going to wear. I wonder this because all the doctors have had some kind of random clothing or something that represnts them. Maybe he is wearing a dinner jacket? Or 18th century dress?

Alan Davies? Are you mad? I mean, he’s a great actor but he doesnt have the right combination of comedy, charm and dark mystery of the Doctor..and I’m not convinced Tennant has it either.
You need to be on that thin line between genius and psychopath to play that character.

both..i really must look at what i write

Could be..anyhow i’m off..enjoy..

Jonathon’s Creek anybody… Alan Davies was funny, suspenseful and a great actor, and he has the hair!

Mysteryduck
“Flabdwo” of course, which I believe was the first couple of syllables of the Meddling Monk’s Gallifreyan name: Flabdworakmanibashtoreth.
Really trite denouement if that is the case.
(Check integrity of irony filters if you even consider this as a genuine theory. I meant that if the whole solution of the plotline hinges on a cheesy anagram I would consider myself cheated)

Sorry about the double-post, random technology disaster caused a server error or something and when I managed to refresh the page I had two posts. Sorry.

Jack cannot be who he seems. He states he was a time agent. What is a time agent? The TimeLords forbid anyone to have time travel devices all throughout the series. If you look back every time someone was close to creating or did create a time travel device the Doctor was sent to disable or mislead the creator. The Timelords forbid anyone to have that capability. The Daleks did acquire the technology to time travel although it was never perfected and the Doctor did continually keep them from actually harnessing the true technology.
As for the comment about the Picture of the Emporer Dalek being the Dalek in Ep6 it could be, but donít forget that all Daleks look the same on the inside. As in all previous Dalek episodes (from the past) it has been stated a many of times, Daleks are mutated Blobs. They all look like blobly ouctopus things.

Hi, I’ve been reading some of the various theories here in anticipation for the big episode and would like to throw some ideas around.
Firstly, I think it’s safe to say that after the Time War the whole timeline is changed and Jack’s being a time agent is perfectly possible in a new timeline without Timelords. In fact it may be more likely, to prevent the reapers from being the only check on the timeline.
Secondly, I think the TARDIS is behind the Bad Wolf sitings, via telepathic imprenting, such as making random things look or sound like the words Bad Wolf to the relivant people. But I don’t think the TARDIS is doing it as a warning, and I don’t think it’s the Master doing it either.
After thinking about it and looking at the hidden bits of the bad wolf site that are directly addressing Rose, I think that what’s leaked into the telepathic circuits of the TARDIS is some form of emotional residue from the Auton Mickey’s head that melted all over the console. The Dr did say that they kept Mickey around to sustain the copy, implying a link between the original and copy. I think the animosity for the Dr that Mickey feels is going through the melted auton head to the TARDIS and is trying to drive Rose away from the Dr by calling him a Bad Wolf.
I also don’t think that the identity of Bad Wolf will be revieled in the next episode, just another hint.
And on the Jack being the Master idea, I do think that is highly plausable, though I’m not sure if he knows it, or if the Master is waiting inside him. I did find it interesting that according to the UNIT site, the Bomb Jack was risking his life with was one that didn’t usualy blow up. So he may never have been in any real danger.

Check out photos of tonights final episode at:
http://entertainment.msn.co.uk/tv/doctorwhothefinalepisode/
Scroll to bottom for pics including EMPEROR DALEK

Yeah, i just found some pictures of the emperor Dalek to, so it looks like its gonna be him.
Apparently, the Doctor is stuck in a time loop and is repeating the same life all the time, without rose, so that is why the Doctor leaves the holgran, so Rose can get him out.
RTD said the the episode sees- “Rose realise how important the Doctor is to her, The Doctor realise how important Rose is to him, and them both realise how important Captain Jack is to them both.”

Im sorry as I have just set it up so please bear with me

never mind i got a bbq goin and ive told everyone it stops for 3/4 hour whilst dr who is on
ither that there’ll be a massive power serg and there will be a national power cut

I’ve always liked this old song from the Jam:
No matter where I roam
I will come back to my english rose
For no bonds can ever tempt me from she
Iíve sailed the seven seas,
Flown the whole blue sky.
But Iíve returned with haste to where my
Love does lie.
No matter where I go I will come back to my english rose
For nothing can ever tempt me from she.
Iíve searched the secret mists –
Iíve climbed the highest peaks
Caught the wild wind home to hear her soft voice speak
To hear her soft voice speak
No matter where I roam
I will return to my english rose
For no bonds can ever keep me from she.
Iíve been to ancient worlds
Iíve scoured the whole universe
And caught the first train home
To be at her side.
No matter where I roam
I will return to my english rose
For no bonds can ever keep me from she

“none of the other doctors seemed to panic”
Not even Troughton??!! A nervous wreck at times.

Troughton always acted the fool but underneath he was as sly as McCoys doc..

http://entertainment.msn.co.uk/tv/doctorwhothefinalepisode/
Go to that site, scroll to the bottom, and clckon the pictures. 3 of them ar the emperor dalek!

Any one notice the following message from Geocomtex: Support has a subliminal message in it?
Q: I’m trying to get the Discotron-3 to flash in the sequence MED BIL EOTV
A: It just doesn’t flash in that sequence. I’m sorry.
The capital sequence pretty much spells out VOTE LIB DEM backwards with just one letter out of place. Is the Dalek God Charles Kennedy in disguise or are the BBC just not as impartial as they make out????
Ste

I’ve heard lots of theories but I think that the key is what the “bad Wolf” references are. Are they a warning to someone (the doctor or Rose) or are they bad wolf leaving his tag across the universe, like a graffiti artist (the spray painting in aliens of london and on the poster in father’s day seem most like this).
The point I keep coming back to is why a wolf? – surely it is chosen because of the link with a monster being in disguise, eg red riding hood, wolf in sheep’s clothing etc. This would also fit in with the clue on the diclaimer page of the bad wolf site, from which it seems that they are a warning to Rose. It is hard to get away from the fact that she has worn red on most episodes. If it is a warning to Rose Jack came into the series too late for it to be a warning about him. I can’t see the writing on the tardis in aliens of London referring to Jack before he has appeared on the scene-although there could still be a twist about his real identity. I think the posts that I have read recalling that the master ended up being consumed in the tardis at the end of the movie could be spot on in providing the continuity with the classic series and CE may well be an impersonator of the doctor. In the last of the trailers CE appeared to be threating to send a signal to destory every living thing in the universe. Having said that the main problem I have with that theory is that it would seem to be too big an act for a monster to do things like rejoice that no-one had been killed at the end of the Dr Dances, or to save cardiff or the world for that matter.
The other possibility is that what we have been seeing is a matrix (the movie) style massive neuro-linguistic programming of the universe, as suggested on the bad wolf disclaimer page. The author of the matrix then adds his tag at various points in the matrix-universe which is what we have been seing, and bad wolf is the author of the matrix. Maybe the time war was just a piece of matrix programming and didn’t really happen and the time lords are still alive somewhere, as the daleks obviously were.
Just some thoughts.
Lee.

IT’S THE TARDIS – BAD WOLF IS THE TARDIS – WOO HOO

what a fantastic last episode

Well!
I dont mean to be negative, but was that poor or what?
Bad wolf was what exactly, the light in the tardis making sure it killed the daleks?
And this war?! Pah! very poor. I dont know what I was expecting, but it wasnt that…
And im not convinced by the new doctor either, I’ve just gotten used to CE!!!
6/10

The emperor was a bit weak, but looks like david tennant could be ok. shame about the wait till xmas
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Only six months..Very good…

So Bad Wolf was the Tardis, who was leaving a message to Rose that she could go back and save the Doctor? Bit of an anti climax really.

gr8 episode i think that the new doctor is goin 2 be brilliant.

Could she have become the queen of a new race of timelords?..or was it just because sshe had the heart of the taris taking over her body?

Hmmmm.. I beleive I was the one would said the TARDIS would be the Bad Wolf in my earlier comments and that Chris Eccleston would go out of it so that we could be introduced to the new Doctor at the end.
They are gonna bring Captain Jack back into the series in series 3 Martyn

ok my bad, i did think it was rose, didnt really think about it logically. Just hope it keeps getting better. This series was a great comeback for the doctor and i hope it goes on for many years to come. The only thing that bothered me was that this week was soooooooooo damn long waiting for the end in the series. I have no damn patience….

I’m pretty disappointed with the Bad Wolf story, but then it did generate alot of publicity, which was the point I guess. So Jack’s not in series 2? I nearly cried when they left him behind. He still has a key, so i predict a future storyline where he nicks the Tardis as revenge for being left behind. And why not even attempt to explain his memory loss???

Jack come back in series three Nina!

Bring on series 2. before you start i know its not really series 2 but it is like a new start for the doctor – and not before time… pun.

It can only get better. Whether you liked the final episode or not the series as a whole was great.

bad wolf bad story
all the effort the bbc went to
all the speculation
for what? is anyone else dissapointed

Gee- she dosen’t leave, she is staying till the end of series 2 now

I think you’ll find Jack is back half way through series 2..It was rose through the tardis..she took the words Bad Wolf and scatered them into the doctors past…i thought it was quite clever…be interesting to see the outher versions that were made..perhaps in the DVD?

So how many people will buy the season dvd then? I know i will.

Rose is staying for the entire of Series 2 and Jack comes back after 5 episodes.
Also, I’ve read that K9, the Cybermen and Sarah Jane Smith also return.
Plus, we may also find out what happened with Adam and also what happened in Jack’s two years he doen’t rerember.
On the whole, I thought it was a good end to a good Chris Ecclesson era and David Tennant looks just as good.
I’m looking forward to the next series. Bring it on!

Zhord..where did you read about k-9?

im not dissapointed by the series it was excellent!
just thought the bad wolf thing was a bit naff thats all!!!
i didnt like the daleks all stood around the doctor either – – – surley they would have shot on sight?
anyway, i reckon the new doctor, once were used to him, will be superb, hes a very good actor

Deamack… ur not gonna like it… I read in The Sun this morning

NNNNOOOooooooo not the Sun!!!!Oh god the’ll be saying Jordan will be the new companion next!!!!

Jordan and her “time lords” fnar. Sorry, couldnt be helped.

So will the forum stay open, or will it close now?
Please stay open!

I was a great Sarah Jane fan..wopuld be nice to have her back….would K-9 stay with the doc?

I don’t see what everyone’s problem was.
I thought it was a great episode, but then again I wasn’t even born when the original series ended.
Next series RTD has CONFIRMED the return of the Cybermen.
Didn’t think the Rose to Rose message idea was all that bad actually.

lets be honest most of us here could have written a better explanation for bad wolf.
im not talking about the episode itself.
dont get me wrong it was very good. but the bad wolf thing a bit naff

havik – totally agree – it was NAFF
it wasnt really relevant at all to be honest!
series excellent, bad wolf = red herring!

Can I just laugh at the people who were so persistant that it was down to The Master?
Whatr do you have to say for yourselves know?

but it wasn’t THE ENDING so it doesn’t really count.

Maybe… but we’re going off topic now.. I was only targeting the people who thought the Bad Wolf was the Master and would not shut up about it.

Ah i see what you meen…
what about 23-6-801 ?

Oh

I never would have guessed!

i still cannot believe people thing that episode was realy crappy.. it was played out very well. also some of the effects used were cool like where the dr regenerated.
im happy to hear jack is coming back into is.. i feel he is a great character.
also did anyone elce get the idea that RTD was hinting that rose could be a time lord.. the way she is simelar to the dr and can feal what he can etc?

I can’t believe you lot!!! It was awesome! I didn’t close my mouth or breathe for about 5 minutes!!!

Not too sure what to think of that episode… overall I guess it was good but due to all the hype about the meaning of ‘bad wolf’ I guess it was inevitable that we would be slightly disappointed. I think it would be a shame if that was the end of the Emperor Dalek, and I’m assuming that’s not the end of the daleks in general – that would be a huge mistake. Anyone have any idea when the next series will be shown?

the next sereis is shown on cristmas with two epersodes and there a 1hr long and there will be darleks again i really hope that davros is in it properly it would be great its cool and i hope they do a lot more of them for ever more

Is it me or did Tennant start to say, “Hello, I’m Capt….”
I’m Captian Jack?
What could that all be about?

Ok….quick question.
I know Rose said “I am Bad Wolf” but is she really? Did she plant those messages around time for herself or did the TARDIS, knowing that they would lead her to work out she could get back?

I think that, at that time Rose and the Tardis are the same being and also ‘at that time’ Rose has the ability to be anywhere and anywhen!

he definetly said
“hi im cap-”

Well, the Doctor does still have to give Rose a red bicycle when she was ten!

It seems to me that most people are forgetting just who the new series is aimed at. Prime-time family viewing…..not the hardcore Whovians.
Given that TRD had to produce a series that would satisfy the BBC, Whovians, children, mums, grannies and their dog….he did a magnificent job. Just how many people are looking forward to a Saturday night of wall-to-wall celebrity-fantasy-dancing-lotto winner challenge?
The plot’s couldn’t be too deep and the logic didn’t have to be too make complete sense…just hang together enough. Bad Wold is just a message, Rose isn’t a timelord and (I REALLY HOPE) K9 isn’t coming back.
I went out at the end of the series tonight with a huge, beaming smile on my face after watching some decent TV for a change.

iS it actually definetly posistivly absolutely confirmed jack in 2nd and 3rd seris?

I say that the ep cud hav been better

I dunno but it cud hav been more exciting
it didnt really grip me.
previously i hav ben on the edge of my seat but last nite i wasnt

That’ll be because some arse leaked the regeneration.

No Kat they filmed 3 different endings…one of which was the cliffe hanger of the doctor regenerating as jack turnes to rose and say..”I am the Master..and you will obey me!” No kidding…

The cliff hanger is of the newly regenerated Doctor saying to Rose, “Now where were we? Oh yes! Barcelona…”

I think that we haven’t seen the last of he time lords..been involved with time travel longer then the Daleks..there out there some where…!

dont u think that killing the daleks and then bringing them back is kind of ruining it.
Yeah i love the daleks but they keep dying and coming back. Someone sed that the daleks are in the christmas special. Thats too soon to be bringing them back. Does anyone else think they are ruining all the dalek future stories by killing them every other episode??

The year was 200,100 AD.

Yeah i agree with you aswell Scott. Im a big fan of the Daleks too. As Deamack told me though, there is an interview with the Exec Producer on the BBC website which does state the “Daleks will be back..it would be rude not to have the Doctor facing his greatest enemy” – so i do think they will come back at some point (prob series 3)
I think they should probly wait till they come up with a solid story for them and one which perhaps ends with no definative ending (as i also disagree with constantly saying the Daleks are extinct/destroyed etc – why do that?!)
I would really like to see the “real” Daleks come back – the pure Skaro Daleks. They were far better! Anyone agree? Ideally having them still inhabiting Skaro (an adopted version) brewing up devious plots and plans would be good! No need to always have them featuring (too much use would ruin them) but just have them in the background…
I dont think they will be in the Xmas story – infact im pretty sure they wont be (unless anyone else know otherwise?) I for one hope they arent!

The Universe is a big place (infinity and all that), so it was always possible, in what we a re now obliged to call “the Classic series”, that somewhere there were Daleks killing and conquering. The problem with most stuff these days, and the only less-than-perfect aspect to the new series, is that everything must be an epic between good and evil and one side or the other must triumph.
For comparison, look at the Talons of Weng Chiang. Small scale story, despite Greel’s being a galaxy-wide criminal, but it is still compelling. If everything always ultimately involves the destruction of the Earth/Universe/Whole of Time how are you going to to top that every time?
The only down-side to RTD’s approach is that, in order to accommodate the small-scale home life and personal emotions he uses to counterpoint the main plot-line, the main plot-line has to be epic. The contrast won’t be there otherwise.
That said, I’ve heard they’re going to have a bash at alien worlds next series. That would do it. It would still be the destruction of Earth every week, just someone else’s Earth.

Didn’t the women not fight though? If not what happened to them? (I don’t remeber much about this as I’m to young to remember so please tell me!!)

Just a titbit. Just watched ep 13. When a timelord regenerates (s)he or it has the ability to regenerate into anything, Man, woman or two headed gerbil. Enjoyed the episode, thought the plot with the doctor plugging himself in as the controller was a better plot. Congrats to RTD and welcome all you new guys and gals to the whoniverse. Congrats you now have a regeneration under your belts.

Ah yes..i remeber that deeling..pertwee to Baker…

Are u people feeling alright? You haven’t said anything for at least half an hour!!! 😀

Thanks adman. It’s just my friend had a wierd theory that he was controlling Roses mind but she didn’t don’t know how. I just ignore her becuase shes loopy anyway…..:D

i think this is the cliffhanger….

Does anyone actually know why RTD used the words ‘Bad Wolf’ anyway? Or is it just a random phrase? Why not ‘lollipop’ or summat like that..:D

I might be wrong, but somewhere i remember one of the doctors saying that a timelord could only regenerate 9 times,
where are we now?

Matt – you seem very similar to me in your thoughts of the new series. It is a pretty good feeling though getting people who have never looked twice at Doctor Who, or even heard of it before now, raving on about it – i would suggest some classic repeats on the BBC whilest the season is over but i fear it would meerly confuse the new fans – something RTD is doing his best to avoid at the moment.
I am pretty sure the Daleks will be back. As i commented about Julie Gardener’s interview on the website (thank you Deamack! haha). I do think though that there is more to the Daleks than constant storylines that inevitably keep “wiping them out” – the universe is a much scarier place with the threat of the Daleks than without it!
Cybermen will be interesting, although i hope they are not updated to the standard of Star Treks Borg, which seems an easy thing to do upon modernising them. I think something similar to the original Cybermen (10th Planet esq) would be a treat. They had an strangly scary feel about them to me.

A timelord in theory can onlz regenerate 12 times (13 lives). The new guy will be the tenth doctor His foregoers were:
William Hartnall (the original)
Patrick Troughton
Jon Pertwee
Tom Baker
Peter Davison
Colin Baker
Slyvester Mc Coy
Paul Mc Gann
Cristopher Eccleston In that order
He is running a little low on regenerations, Maybe the series can ignore the Paul McGann regeneration as it was a movie and maybe doesnt count as Tv Doctor but that would be a shame and hard to pull off because Slyvester McCoy (Tvs no.7) changed into Mc Gann.
Two other Tv Movies were made with Peter Cushing as the doctor, and they were ignored in relation to the series, largely because they were remakes of Hartnell episodes and one offs.
An twisted amalgamation of the doctors evil side was used against the Doctor himself in Trial of a Timelord (The Valeyard) but its not quite clear that constituted a regeneration somewhere in the doctors own timeline.

The Doctor is for all intents and purposes a unique timelord who has been the onlY timelord privvy to certain timelord secrets. A few he has had to share with a chosen few and his Arch enemy The Master. Such secrets include the workings of the Matrix (of time) the legacy of Rassilon, the universe of Antimatter, and now of course the time vortex at the heart of the Tardis. A few timelords have tried to prolong their regenerations for a longer life, all have failed. The exception is possibly the Master who on his last life doesnt really regenerate but just snatches the bodies of others and uses them to temporarily prolong his existence..
Sorry hope I havent been boring anyone or spoiling things for new fans. Anyway Thats where we are now Marks

I think it will. Because in my opinion the TARDIS was Bad Wolf, not Rose.

yeah totally. i thought the tardis was speaking through rose, when it speaks of protecting its doctor, the tardis is saying the words. i thought this element was hugely touching. that she wishes to protect her, i dunno, ‘father’, in a way. i felt this worked perfectly to make the tardis a livng thing, really makes the history of who more enriching as he has always had this companion with him. to move the tardis beyond a simple icon would be a very bold move.
as a new fan, i think this series hooked me by sweeping away that kind of period drama air that the old series had to it and to make the tardis emotive would be another step along the way of complete reinvention for this series

The Valeyard was picked out of yime by the time lords..he is a version taken frome between his 12th and 13th bodies..i think some fan based group did somthing simalar for video/dvd..about a doctor between 2nd and 3rd bodies…I’ve just listend to the regeneration and can hear a noise but i think it’s just the noise from the regeneration…

I think the change of cyberman was because they were from different time periods…

Scroll back up to Jackisfit’s comments for a full and exhaustive explanation of what happens at the end. That’s all there is to it. It’s not even the Tardis talking through Rose, it’s just Rose with the whole of space-time visible to her from looking into the Vortex.
It’s worth remembering that the Doctor shouldn’t have had that experience either, so if you’re looking for a reason to create more regenerations there’s one. No more Timelords is another (who’s to say the regenerations of every other Timelord is now up for grabs0.

re: nigel
respectfully i find it hard to argee with you:
you say:
“Scroll back up to Jackisfit’s comments for a full and exhaustive explanation of what happens at the end. That’s all there is to it. It’s not even the Tardis talking through Rose, it’s just Rose with the whole of space-time visible to her from looking into the Vortex.”
we need not assume the time vortex is talking but rather tardis+ rose + “votrex” = new being essentially, a time vortex is i am guessing the doorway through time, but the tardis is alive. IF its simply rose then she did not create herself! at least not as far as we know at the moment. (see my last post)
so i think there is more to the story to come??? maybe!
since the heart of a tardis is telepathic, its qoute possible so are the timelords, they are telepathic too! and they can cross timezones!

a slight off topic but the thread has brought it up a few times, frist most of the secrets of Rassilon, were to some extent myths in timelord culture BUT! and i dare say they become aware of them. yes 13 lives, however the master used his lot and then took over peoples bodies, which means its possible for the doctor should he do it, also in the 5 doctors the time lord asked for the master to help the docter in return he will get a totally new regeneration cycle, also in anther dr who ep (peter davison again era) some race tried to change themselfs into time lords, the expriement failed, causing them to live forever – so they wish to steal the drs other lifes (at the time) so they can end there ongoing existence this to me seems to suggest that a life circle can be transfered!

Sorry, should have said: This would allow the Timelords to return even though they had been wiped from their existing timeline, by bringing other Timelords from other further dimensions into the gap that they leave. The Doctor would be able to go back to Gallifrey and see all his old mates and new people that didn’t used to exist in his Universe. Of course they may have developed along a different line, Rassilon may have decreed that they remain a warrior race bent on Universal domination. Then the Doctor would have to wipe them out all over again! Or teach them the old non-interventionist ways of his Timelords after defeating Rassilon (sending him into the antimatter universe, where I imagine Omega would have a few choice words to say to him). Just a thought.

Well I can’t argue with nigel in regards to it being speculation, however even if this is all to the story I wouldnt be so determintive to say, therefore Badwolf is rose, for many of the reasons above (essential ones being the tardis is alive, and “badwolf” creates itself seems to suggest that darlek killer was not rose-human only). but then that doesnt make my idea the right answer – nigel is right, lets wait and see 😛
people have said that it might be something to do with the 60’s doctorwhos…any ideas the time middler was a timelord, so I don’t think it was him besides i think the doctor took a componet of his tardis which might be a bit of a problem.??? thing is there are many aliens in the 60’s doctor who, whom have been hardly described – so it could be anything eg: great intelgence??????? or even the builders in the mind robber? – in which case its a vague refference at best.
Rassilon and bursa are immortal now ! (well not hundreden present sure of rassilon could of been a recording 🙂
(never fear the darleks will be back, has long as nations estate is happy)

Strictly speaking, NO-ONE was BADWOLF. BADWOLF was merely a message Rose sent back through time to remind herself (at the crucial point) that there was a link between her being stranded on earth “Bad Wolf here!”…and the space station in the future where the Dr was fighting for his life “Bad wolf there!…” When she was taken over by the soul of the tardis, she arrived at the space station and simply took the BADWOLF Corp. logo, which was simply the best method of communicating with herself through time.

I’m kinda a new fan of Docotr Who, so what episode does it say that a Time Lord can olny regenerate 12 times? Please reply

sodbuster:
ref
“The TARDIS is not only a time machine but is also a dimension traveling machine. Different dimensions should mean different timelines for the particular dimension/time visited by the Doctor.”
of course it is, time is a demension, has is space, we dont need the badwolf to tell us that. NOT only can it do that, but it can travel out of time and space – as it as done in a number of classic series ep. – intresting book reference.
Re harry:
Badwolf is very likely a “person” OR a personal entity, “I am” is normally a personal perfix. and yes the message was for rose, but made by simply rose is the question i am adovacting, or at the least considering.
I really really think it would be cool if the badwolf was the Black Gaudian, but i doudt that!

there is no dalek voice in the regeneration i just watched it

David tennant gonna need some gettin use 2

It came into my mind in a dream, a vision… it spaketh in tongues… and it revealed unto me the truth ! No, wait.. that was the beer… Damn..
Anyways..
The BBC FOOLED YOU ALL!!! For it is THEY who are the Big Bad Wolf !!
(B)ig (B)ad (C)anus lupus
(the L stands for Laughing har har !!)

Roger Delgado’s Master was fabulously vain and power hungry, but in an eminently sane and sensible way. He was a cad and a bounder, but not without charm.
Ainley’s Master was, by way of contrast, a prick. A small man with ideas above his station. A shallow copy of the original.
When the Doctor regenerates every effort is made to literally bring new life to the part. They’re not expected to be anything like their earlier incarnations. So why make the Master wear a stupid beard and slick his hair back when his face didn’t suit it?
Roberts’ Master, on the other hand, was totally excellent. So different, yet so pompous and self absorbed. He carried on the character in the same way as the Doctors carried theirs, but changing those elements that give depth and meaning.
Sorry to break the strand, but it winds me up. Like when people count anyone after Tom Baker as real Doctors. If you grew up with Tom you can watch Hartnell, Troughton and Pertwee and be impressed. I know kids who only know Ecclestone and can still be enthralled by the first four (one 6 year old I know sat through the whole of Dalek Invasion TV version! Three hours of black and white TV!). I defy anyone to find me a newcomer to the series who can watch McCoy’s overreaching scots dwarf, or Colin Baker’s clown-clad, arse-brained thug, or even Peter “Personality Vacuum” Davison without feeling embarrassed and turning off after 10 minutes.
You want a prequel? What about a two hour Time War special with Paul McGann (the best Doctor we never had), older, different costume to the TV movie – let him play it how he wants – but give us Daleks and Time Lords, Eric Robert’s Master joining forces with the Time Lords to revenge himself on the Daleks for Exterminating him, then betrays them at the last minute causing the two sides to be destroyed, accidentally killing him at the last moment. Only McGann survives, but, exhausted falls to the floor, doesn’t think he will regenerate now his homeword and the Eye of Harmony have been destroyed, so when he does turn into Ecclestone, he sits up, and says… “Fantastic!”.
I don’t see how you could do anything else.
PS: HarryPotter’s right about this Bad Wolf thing. If only Rose hadn’t actually said “I’m Bad Wolf, I created myself”, and said “there in no Bad Wolf, I created the clues to lead me here from the words I find in this time”, the confusion wouldn’t arise, but I’m hardly in a position to tell RTD how he should write his scripts. If anything it’ll keep us all talking about nothing until the Christmas episode.

Someone called The Writer mentioned the Dalek-like voice during regeneration. I’ve got it on video and that voice is there. Can’t work out what it says. Any suggestions?
(While I don’t think RTD would knock about on a messageboard like this, you’ve got to wonder how The Writer noticed this as none of us did. It is there and it is deliberate, but very difficult to make sense of.)

What is the answer, to bad wolf? Me and my friend have a on-going battle over this. She thinks it’s always the T.A.R.D.I.S having posesed Rose, like in the 3rd episode with the parlourmaid and the gelth. I think it’s just a name and Rose DOES create herself with the help of the time vortex. What does everyone else think?
p.s. probly should get a better friend…

Hello All,
It seems I’m late coming to the party, but I’ve enjoyed reading your posts.

I’m not new to Doctor Who at all. I’ve been watching for nearly 25 years give or take and have watched all the episodes to date. I own nearly all of them. I guess Tom Baker was right about “fan love.”

As a fan of the classic series I have warmed to the 2005 series and I will mourn Christopher Eccleston’s Doctor as surely as I will embrace David Tennant’s.

I was skeptical at first, and had some issues with the way some things were handled in Episode One. It wasn’t until I showed the episode to a slightly less jaded fan that I saw all the potential in his eyes. I watched it again and I knew Doctor Who was back. The new crew won me over and I look forward to Series 2 and 3.

And yes, someone asked before, I did cry… I was choked up for all of Episode 13.

As for the BAD WOLF clues and PR. What a furor! WHAT CONTROVERSY! I guess all the websites and “clues” have served their purpose. We all came up with different scenarios. I guess Doctor Who isn’t as predictable or simple as some of it’s critics accuse.

Doctor Who may have changed, been updated, and wears a leather jacket… some of you love him, some of you hate him, some of you think he isn’t as good as your first Doctor, some of you are just happy to have him back…

Doctor Who’s potential is limitless and there’s always room for improvement.

I have watched every episode available… and each time I found something delightful and charming in each of the unique Doctors.

I will be sitting on the edge of my seat, ready to welcome David Tennant and mourn Christopher Eccleston in spite of his brief tenure and my unwillingness to accept him at the start. I have cried every time a Doctor left us.

Of course I have my favorites. I grew to love all the Doctors, and no, I will not omit Paul, who was never given the opportunity to shine as I knew he could. He was as much the Doctor as any of them in spite of the “thin script” he had to overcome.

That’s the magic of Doctor Who. He survives in each and every one of them. And continues to live in us. That’s the intangible that no one can put their finger on… that is why it endures… that’s why after 40 years it can appeal to a new generation.

Ok, that’s it for me. A bit wordy, but proud. I can’t wait until Christmas! That being said, does anyone have any dirt on Series 2 or the Xmas special?

Billie is in the whole of Series 2. Jack will be back, but not until halfway or so through the second series. From what I’ve read, I think the Cybermen will be recurring enemies in the series, like the Slitheen/Daleks were in this series. RTD has also confirmed that there will be more alien planets in the 2nd series, although the Christmas special is based on Earth. If thats true, maybe there will be less Mickey and Jackie, although thats speculation on my part. The structure of the series will be more or less like this series e.g. a few 2 parters, and all 45 min episodes. And RTD has said he will be writing the Doctor pretty much the same, so although the mannerisms etc might be different, David Tennant’s Doctor will be essentially the same as CE’s, although I guess thats true of all the Doctors – boyish enthusiasm etc
And there seems to be a bit of a debate earlier about the Christmas special – its just a one hour special, not 2 epsiodes as someone said before. Hope this helped!

The tardis does have a consciousness this is proved when the slitheen looks into the heart of the tardis and turns back into an egg, in order that it can have a 2nd chance. this is not what the does to the master, or rose. in rose’s case as we know it transfers the power of the time vortex to her, and takes her to save doctor. in the masters case it consumes him.
in my opinion this shows that the tardis consciously helps rose and the doctor. The tardis doesn’t act biasly it protects it’s self plain and simple.
im a big fan of the idea that the master is surviving inside the tardis, inside the time vortex, all he would have needed to regenerate was the power of the tardis. i believe it is implied in earlier series that timelords can regenerate for a 13th time if they have a massive power source.
So the master is controlling the tardis, helping the doctor destroy the daleks. after all they exterminated him. and what about those autons why did they come to earth. the doctor and the master sent them back to there homeworld, and only the master knew where their homeworld was. He brought them back, he brought them back to force rose and the doctor together, and the cybermen how do they fit into his plan? and k9 and sarah jane smith and captain jack? ohhhhhh i can’t wait till christmas…….

Hmmm..
Bad wolf, in the future, was/is definitely something more than just a concept, as we saw on both stations with the Corporate logo. In the past, however, it was a concept and was somehow exposing itself to the current times by way of graffiti here or a name that ‘just sounded good’ there – as with ‘blaidd drwg’ with farty.
I believe there is something more to it.
There was some controlling force behind the Jagrafess on the news station ‘promoting’ people who are never seen again (some to be console operators once dead, the rest possibly to unknowingly feed the Dalek resurection, like the game show contestants) AND ALSO behind the Daleks resurection itself. It is clear from the episode that we’ve ruled out the Daleks as the source of bad wolf, as they came across as mere pawns, as did the Jagrafess 100 years earlier and before the Doctor altered the Earths future.
It’s also fair to assume it’s not Rose who is somehow the bad wolf, as she says she could see the past, present and future when she absorbed the time vortex, and only said she had used the phrase to connect her alone to that time once she absorbed the time vortex.
As the Doctor also has this knowledge, I think we’ve ruled him out also.
Someone has the ability to hide themselves, and pretty well…
Now, as the Tardis has the ability to alter peoples minds to a degree, it could be that the Master is in fact existing as a conciousness within it, and .. Nahh… BBC is the Bad wolf as I told yas already… Big Bad Canus lupus.
(a spy) Err I mean Poggie…

Nigel Robinson- I have to disagree with your comments about the Peter Davisons doctor. I was new to Doctor Who at the beginning of the new series, but have watched many old series, and think that the later Doctors were great. In my view it goes-
1.Christopher Eccleston
2.Peter Davison
3.Tom Baker
4.Jon Pertwee
5.Sylvester McCoy
6.Colin Baker
7.William Hartnell
8.Paul McCann
9.Patrick Troughton
Sorry I’ve gone a bit of topic!

JACK IZ SOOOOOOOOOO FIT IM SO SOZ I LIKE DA NEW DOC BUT I PREFER DA OLD ONE I SOZ

The TARDIS/Master combination is Bad Wolf.

I said TARDIS. I just think The Master is in someway controlling the TARDIS. Maybe not completely but in a way. Perhaps it was really The Master that destroyed the Daleks….

I don’t think it has…MOVE BACK!

what ever happend to the doctors daughter i think it was susan {im not a hardcore dr who fan btw}
surely she would be the same as the doctor and re-generate

Susan was lft in 2058 or there abouts..Rose was from 2005

I agree with deamarks- move on. I also agree with marks’ explanation.

Well done marks. Once again someone explains it all, but no one listens. Last time someone explained it (exactly as marks did) folk were still saying, “Yeah, but there was some controlling force making people use the words Bad Wolf, like when the Slitheen said ‘it just popped into her head’ and stuff”. IT WAS ROSE!!! She was the controlling force, using the power of omniscience (look it up!) given to her by the TARDIS she could influence all the key people she would meet to include Bad Wolf in their lives somewhere without interferring too much with their free-will (which is a bad thing, right?). Rose created herself, the TARDIS couldn’t do anything, otherwise it would have don it by itself, Rose used the TARDIS and the TARDIS gave her what she needed to get the job done.
What no one seems to notice is that Mickey, even when spurned so cruelly by Rose over and over again, didn’t try to hold her back. If that was what made her happy he would help her, even if it left him with nothing. There’s more than one kind of hero, y’know.

Sorry to bang on about this, but I must agree with Der Martin.
If you (whoever you might be reading this) wrote Bad Wolf everywhere you went, and someone asked you who was writing Bad Wolf everywhere you might say, “It’s me, I’m Bad Wolf!”. See?
It’s no more complicated than that.
Or is it?
No, no it isn’t.
It’s very easy.
My seven year old son can understand it.
My three year old son doesn’t care.
I suggest adopting one of these attitudes.
I have.

rose is the bad wolf!!!! i hope not!
she just uses the bad wolf logo as a message!
that doesn’t make her the bad wolf!
and if marks, der martin, nigel robinson, and deamack are right then the writers did drop the ball. and im a little disappointed.
maybe they will be more careful next season not to confuse thousands of fans by letting 1 poorly written line ruin the ending.
ohhhhhh weeeee ohhhhhhhh
and nigel i dont think you should try to insult peoples intelligence by saying that even your young child can understand it, im sure you are the sort of father that “explains” it to them. i.e. if daddy thinks thats whats going on it must be true.
and 2 say that dr who can’t be that complicated proves some people have not seen as much dr who as they claim. there are some very interesting dr who stories, and also some very complicated ones. also writers love to confuse you, and by tying stories over between series they will.

Hi Joel,
I don’t mean to insult anyones intelligence, but, without any explanation from me, my son reckons that, when Rose says, “I am Bad Wolf” she means she is Bad Wolf. And the reason she chose the name is because she, “takes the letters from here and scatters them through time”.
I can’t help thinking that the reason people are having problems with this is not that RTD has written poor lines (he is one of the finest television writers of our generation, no joke), but that they are looking for something that isn’t there. RTD and the team have deliberately geared the new series to appeal to and be understood by non-sci-fi fans and folk who have never seen Doctor Who before. It is a kids show. I’m sorry, but it is. Only the late Baker seasons on got bogged down in the tedium of continuity, to the point where no newcomer could understand what was going on and actors were cast because they’d appeared before even though they were too fat for the costume (Cyberleader, you know who you are).
Give them a break and let’s just enjoy what they’ve already given us. They’ll be leaking all manner of teaser stuff between now and Christmas and I, for one, couldn’t give a toss whether Bad Wolf crops up again or not.
So what do you say Joel? Do you wanna come with me? It’ll be fantastic!

im in.
it will be a fantastic ride!
the people involved have done a excellent job of brining the dr who experience to a whole new generation. i have to admit im only 21 so i probably cant consider myself a die hard dr who fan, as i didn’t grow up behing the sofa. but as i see it dr who is like any other other sci fi cult series/story. it must have continuity and appeal mainly to the die hard fans. just like all other scifi series. these generally older die hard fans will make a series, that should have gone of the air years ago, keep comiing back for new genereations. i call it (the star trek model).
die hard fans want to see the links to the previous books/series, the tv movie, and the books set in the future with the later dr’s.
so you see it’s not just a simple scifi series aimed at kids, it’s dr who! years of back stories, anagrams, clues, paradoxies, not to mention the constant disruption to the timeline.
if they start doing things;
like leading us to believe that bad wolf is going to be a person,
then showing us that its all just a msg tied up in a time paradox, (which by the way i think is a great story)
but then they make the mistake of having rose call herself the bad wolf. and cause what i like to call (a writing paradox)
i think die hard fans will get upset.
anyway my final opinion is that they are gonna do something about this. maybe they did intend this to be the end of the bad wolf story, but i hope not dr who deserves better!

If we need to worry about Bad Wolf why not consider the character/concept does not yet exist. Personally i never like the Time Lords (except the Dr). Ordering Time & Space to suit their own agenda etc. Think the Daleks are the other side of the same coin. My idea would be Bad Wolf is a call sign just like early christian used a fish, to those who are members of a well hidden (in time & space)resistance movement. Imagine, even Daleks could be members

What I don’t understand is Why did the Doctor die and have to regenerage but Rose did not???

Sam,
I understood that part but she had the power in her head for way longer than the doctor did. Maybe it wasn’t all in there at once???

Ah yes! That makes sense now – thank you! I can’t wait until Christmas…LOL

no its all good! dont worry about it! have a beer!

Why civillisations of pure matter etc…it’s not Star Trek! Just a story that children (of all ages) will relate to. Love, the struggle to overcome adversity and something that will make you cry tears of joy when Dr Who finally concludes

Further to the speculation about BADWOLF, one thing to remember is that for Rose/TARDIS to do this, the end had to happen before we even begin the series.
Much like how GOD had to know how the universe was going to end before he began to create it. In some ways you could see this as the future always precedes the past, therefore they must co-exist in the present moment, riding the quantium wave.
I find that part interesting.
As Gywenth saw BADWOLF in Rose’s mind (TARDIS) and the creature controlling the AUTONS says BADWOLF when seeing the TARDIS, there is more to this story arc.
Rose/ TARDIS left all those GRAFFITI messages, fully knowing where she would end up at particular times. HOW?
The TARDIS, knowing all time and dimensions, is GODLIKE. Can see the past, future which becomes the present moment. A present moment being the past and future combined.
Plus after the Mayor of Cardiff choosing the name BADWOLF, well planted by Rose/TARDIS?
In short, the TARDIS knows everything!
It is the ALPHA and the OMEGA.

Hi guys, just been reading through this LONG thread..
Hmm interestign theories about “BAD WOLF” all round, still looking at this myself.
just thought i would pose a few points…
first off.. transmat technology.. I always thought transmat was a timelord technology, first references I can remember was in the five doctors and actually used on galifray. I could be wrong.. (which leads me to the conculsion, only timelords – as has been proven, can recall and pull a TARDIS from it’s travels…) and how did this TRANSMAT get through the TARDIS walls? if they were pulled out of mid “flight” then surely in order to do that, “breach” Timelord technology, you would have to know it intimately.?? and only timelords know that.. 🙂
remember the TARDIS was parked in archive 6, you piloted it there? TARDIS by remote control…smells like a timelord thing to me..
second point… remember the references to the BAD WOLF? has anyone thought to actually pay attention to the childerns tale? ask yourself.. how many little pigs they were? and then think of who’s in the TARDIS..
anyway that’s my ten pence worth..
C ya

Message to Cyntax…
Nice one. Interesting…
I’ll huff and I’ll puff….. but I can’t get into the TARDIS.
But then, there was only three in the TARDIS from episode 10…
Timelords probably can’t regenerate after being blown to smitherins…
Some would have died completely… but some are sure to exist. There are other forces involved after all. I’m sure the White Guardian would be around somewhere.
Also, as a side note…. Isn’t it interesting how alot of what has appeared in previous episodes of the earlier Doctors have turned up in mainstream films.
The Matrix, Indiana Jones (last crusade)/ see the episode of Doctor Who (Tome Baker) where we saw the birth of life on earth thanks to the creature which looked like Mr Spegetti Head.
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lets just face it…this new series was a load o pants and not a patch on the episodes from its heyday of the 70s/early 80s. I also cant be the only one who rapidly tired of ecclestones endless grinning and mugging?!

For goodness sake keep RTD as far away from any future dr whos. the strongest and best were those written not by by him, but by Gatiss. RTDs efforts apart from being simplistic and juvenile werent short of being gay propoganda.

Some of the Bad Wolf references she didn’t even see or hear. I STILL think it isn’t resolved and I STILL think that there is a possibility of The Master returning.

Odin..the master comming back..yes..but him being bad wolf..very thin

I love all the comments. Spent ages reading them. I think that everyone has their own “Bad Wolf” and that was one of the ideas for the series. Human’s Bad Wolf was the Daleks. The Daleks Bad Wolf was The Dr. It comes from the dawn of time and all societies on Earth – Who’s afraid of the big bad wolf? Everyone!

Why did Rose spread this message in particular? Everywhere she went she saw bad wolves. Dr Who has always been about bad wolves.

What amazes me most though is that many people here seem to believe that this TV series should somehow be consistent with a TV series that was first made in the very dawn of television. Sadly (for me!) I have seen some of these and oddly enough it is quite consistent. I actually think that Mr E is very similar to Mr H.

Hey Tom thanks for the Forum. Would like to defend Joel a little bit without upsetting anyone. I was also responsible for citing the other forum. Sorry. I thought that you were also wanting to reduce the size of your own forum due to it being too large (and eventually costing you money). I surf a lot in DWs virtual world and would be happy to include a link to this forum and other pages that you have with your kind permission.
Eagerly awaiting reply

As with anything this is pure conjecture, if your trying to second guess a writer you’ll be waiting a long time. So it’s left to light hearted deduction.
OK, this all appears to be about hindsight, sending the entire bad wolf thing back throught time to seed the future. Hmmm who do we know in this mythology who dos the entire Deep planning thing?
Better than that lets look look at opportunity and access, who do we know that since the 1996 film has been residing in the eye of harmoney at the heart of the Tardis?
Who has a proven ability to take over humans?
Who shared Roses hatered of the Darleks (they put pay to his last stolen body after all.
Bad wolf, it’s the big M himself.
Looking at this from a writing level, it brings back a character that is easy to write for. There is an adequate suspention of disbelief and it fits with the current state of the universe. Darleks start a time war, oh where did the masters leave his tardis and who killed him? Oh look Darleks! There’s a supprise.
Their are also really good writing opportunities here, Master needs a good quality body. Where’s he going to get one? Hows he going to deal with the entire Time war thing? How would his relationship change with the doctor considering he genocided their entire race. The dialoge alone would be cracking and most importantly would practically write itself.
The real bonus is that you don’t have to kill him at the end of the story. So for the ease of future story arcs and the fact he’s in the right place at the right time I’m laying odds on The Master is Bad wolf.

Great to read all the wierd theories but I’m still not convinced that anyone has answered (or even asked) the question – why did Rose scatter the Bad Wolf message?
According to one posting “Look it’s simple rose sees the words bad wolf so thinks that it is a message by someon for her to take the tardis back to the doctor..”
Eh? She sees the words ‘bad wolf’ and understands that to mean that she has to take the Tardis back to the doctor. That’s quite a leap isn’t it?
But what I really don’t get is this. Before any of the bad wolf stuff happens, Rose succeeds in taking the Tardis back to the Doctor because it is only after doing that that she is able to scatter the Bad Wolf message through time. So the question is why does she have to bother?
I do agree though with those who reckon that too much is being read into all this. IMO the Bad Wolf subplot was just a pretty lame attempt to be clever on the part of the scriptwriters who otherwise did an excellent job in restoring the series’ good name.
Loved the episode about Rose’s dad, thought the gas mark kids were brilliantly spooky (and the idea of nanobots mistakenly replicating fatal injuries a much better idea than Bad Wolf) and really enjoyed the humour behind the Reality TV episode – all of which involved some of the key qualities that made the original series so much fun to watch.
Hope we don’t see the Slitheen again though – dull, rubbery creatures with no scare value whatsoever. Also disappointed by the first Dalek episode – bit of a rip-off of the lone Borg story in Star Trek TNG and there was nowhere near enough time for the Dalek’s change of heart to be convincing. The second episode with its alien ambassadors gathering to watch the end of the Earth was also very similar to the Restaurant at the End of the Universe in Hitchhikers’ Guide to the Galaxy. (Is Douglas Adams somehow still writing for Dr Who from beyond the Grave? Maybe he’s Bad Wolf – no, better not start that one up again…!)
Sad to see Christopher Ecclestone leaving (although the “fantastic”s and manic grinning did grate at times). Thought Billie Piper was surprisingly strong so hope she does stick around a bit longer. And in Captain Jack nice to see a gun-toting American action hero who somehow managed to be likeable.
Can’t wait for the next season and (hopefully) cybermen, sea devils, the Master, more on the Time Wars and MORE ALIEN LOCATIONS – I know the writers said it’s more scary when the action takes place on Earth but I also miss some of the strange alien cultures and societies we used to have in the ‘good old days’.
Anyway, all round I’d say eight or even nine out of ten (especially as the episodes got better and better as the series progressed) and roll on 2006…

Okay, I can remember watching Dr. Who when he was John Pertwee, and I was all of six years old. Since then I have seen quite a few episodes but would hardly call myself a die hard fan, as a lot of the examples quoted on this page go over my head. I have however watched every episode of the new season. Am I right in saying that Christopher Eccleston is the nineth doctor?
That being the case, how’s this for a way out theory: BAD WOLF is not a person or thing, but a sign of things to come.
I tried anograms of bad wolf and tried to think of all possible ‘wolf’ theories. Finally I turned the letters in ‘bad wolf’ to numbers. If you match them up with the alphabet you get, 2, 1, 4, 23, 15, 12 and 7. Add all those numbers together and you get 64. Add 6 + 4 and you get 10. Could the number 10 be a clue sent for the doctor to let him know his time is near, and that he is about to regenerate into the ‘tenth’ Doctor?
Yeah, I know, maybe a bit far fetched. We’re about to see the final two episodes of the season in Australia so I guess time will tell.
Lastly, I fully agree with everything ‘Gerry’ said about Adam becoming Davros. In the episode, ‘Dalek’, I saw all the same clues he did and came to the same conclusion.
Slyman.

I was watching the last of the Doctor who Series for this doctor and my mum thoucht that Bad Wolf was the Daleks creation and got a big shock when she found out it wasnt.
I think that, along with mum, Bad Wolf is an Ex-Timelord. i want to see other theroies as well as mums and my own.
From Patiently waiting for the new series

Davros has a blue “dot” on the middle of his head. The guy the Doctor left behind (Adam) had a hole on his head. Is he a new Davros? or done a Master and Davros has taken on his body/vice versa. He had all the computer knowledge anyway, so he would have known about the Bad Wolf even if he hadn’t planted it.

Yeah, actually, I never thought of that. That’s good! 🙂

He’s been travelling in the tardis for 900 years…so he only took it in his first year..being that timlords don’t age that much he must of been onlyin his 60’s

Did you know Gallifrey the Doctor’s home planet has been destroyed twice. In this Eighth Doctor book called “The ancestor cell” the Doctor destroys his world so that the rest of the universe can suvive but the invaders were’nt the daleks it was a vodoo cult called faction paradox. In the last book “The Gallifrey chronicles” the Doctor restores and rebuilds Galifrey but it obviously got destroyed again by the Daleks.
And here’s a message to the people who thought the master had somehting to do with the badwolf thing. In the gallifrey chronicles the Doctor flushed the master out of the tadis so he couldnt do anymore harm to it.

I know that BADWOLF relates to Doctor Who, but what exactly is it? I am a huge fan of Lost and there are loads of websites out there created by the producers, dummy sites for companies, planes etc, anyways, I found one of these sites and there was a trouble shooting guide, I clicked on it, it had fake questions but one said that the code was -… .- -.. .– — .-.. ..-. now I checked it out on morse code and guess what is translates as? BADWOLF!!!!!!!! Badwolf is on Lost??? Any thoughts?

Been some time but i’ve popped back! I think the christmas episode is connected tothe first episode. I mean Plastick christmas trees attacking people? Autons..must be involved….They need some life form to help…doesn’t meen human? Tom have a nice Christmas mate and enjoy 25th at 7!!!

guys we are now 6 months and 6 days since the last episode of the new DR Who series was aired.
Imagine my dismay when I came across this page and saw that people are still discussing who or what bad wolf is or was.
move on it’s only a show.
don’t you think that it’s spooky that the last episode aired 6 months and six days ago ooooooo!!
I guess if I had posted this at 7:06pm it would have been 6 months 6 days and six minutes ago. 666 even spookier.

As someone across the pond, I have just watched the adventures of the ninth Doctor. And I have noticed, as most others have the reoccouring theme of the Bad Wolf. In the episode, “Boom Town” the Doctor states that these words have been following him around. WHo would have such powers to make this happen? One answer keeps coming back to me despite the “facts” as they have been told throughout this viewing season; time lords. I have not worked out this theory any more than thinking that they are the only ones in the universe to have such power. Perhaps they are not dead or perhaps they are, planet gone and all that but somehow they still exist, maybe in spirit or in another form or level of noncoporial being and they are now “using” the Doctor to do all their worldly doings. Hence, thier calling card, “Bad Wolf”. Now the Doctor just needs to understand that the time lords are still around.

In reference to this being the 10 doctor this is not the case. In “The Brain of Morbius‚Äù earlier versions of the doctor are revealed.

Who’s afraid of the big bad wolf. The Master surely. Seems only right that the only other surviving timelord should have a subtle intro. In clues bad wolf “an exploding platform” is just the kind of thing an arch enemy would leave you on. Child’s graffiti probably comes from recognising a fellow timelord’s Tardis signature sound. All bad wolf referrences are found throughout time and the only two races who seem to have a monopoly on that are the daleks and the Timelords AKA the doctor and the Master. Thoughts please?

it was rubbish and bouring

we still talking about Bad Wolf???? It is solved..i won’t go into details incase our friends from accross the pond log on…but really we brits still going on? Let’s talk about the Cybermen comming back or K( and Sarah Jane..even talk about the new doctor..but not bad wolf!!!!

FURTHER TO THE LAST POST:
a bit back in the posts on here someone wondered about how the daleks had survived the time war!
i guess this is it :
Another Dalek Emperor featured in the finale of the 2005 series, The Parting of the Ways, its ship having barely survived the Time War. After its ship fell through time, it went into seclusion and went on to rebuild a new race of Daleks.

I reckon this whole thing revolves around the two years of Captain Jacks missing life!
He addmits that he knows of the Daleks and of the time war.

THC [REGENERATED!] Nice idea…possible but that would mean that the last 36 years he has been having his life written for him…no..In Satan Pit the plot is as follows: “The Doctor and Rose visit a breathtaking alien world, a colony world where food and water is scarce… and where an old enemy awaits him, an enemy that looks like the Devil…” Who do we know who looks like that? Azreal? He looks like the devil but was killed. The destroyer? From an alternate univers..and dead. How about what we humans depict he could look like..Black hair and pointy Beard!!!Also it stars Danny Webb who is known for playing Villans..could it be the Master after all these years? New body? or from an alternate universe? What ya think? Oh Episode 2 ‘Tooth and Claw’ features..A wolf…A BAD WOLF….Nuff Said!!!!

ok we have 15 mins here before the new series and i just watched the first few minutes of episode 1!
just as rose goes into the tardis the view is from above and as mickey walks off you can see the words BAD WOLF! written in chalk faintly on the tarmac…..
so is that plotline continueing ?

It also looked like the face of Boa could teleport (at the end of the episode)…

Cant wait for the episode ‘tooth and claw’ on Saturday! Gonna be gr8! It must have somethin 2 do wit this Bad Wolf theory as its a wolf that stars in it. A bad wolf.

really! i mean it! ENJOY IT! dont waste ur valuble time tryin 2 work it out!

You know what
“Torchwood” is an anagram for “Doctor Who”.
funny that!
So maybe Bad wold us an anargram for something
cuz she said she took the letters and scatterd them throught time and space..
just a theori….

You know what, I think its the Tardis. The Tardis got inside rose’s head in parting of the ways and because rose said she was the bad wolf then that could be the tardis as it was in hr head.
Maybe.

forget William Blake.
remember W.B. Yeats.
“When shall the stars be blown about the sky,
Like the sparks blown out of a smithy, and die?
Surely thine hour has come, thy great wind blows,
Far off, most secret, and inviolate Rose?”

concerning the rose has seen the bad wolf comment there!
the person who played that charcter is in torchwood and as the dr travels through time in a hap hazzard way or non linear! then it is possible to assume that rose has seen the bad wolf but not in the tv series order but in chronological time order…also the wolf was zapped by the moon and also there is i think a follow up episode to that dealing with the moon in an episode of torchwood [i assume from the cryptic episode guide thats there]
so if the maid is an agent of TORCHWOOD [which we didnt know before!] then when the dr and rose meet her they may already have met her later but to the maid it was her past so she knew them but they didnt know her!…for instance maid in 2006 sees the tennant doctor then she travels back to where we see her in that episode but then meets the chris eccleston dr and rose! they havent met her yet on that timeline but she has met them!…it makes sense and im sure there are others out there that understand me and could put it better! i also know the ppl at dr who read this…and must have a great understanding of multi timelines as the continuity in the new series is great but dont limit it to the last 5000 years! im sure you can cover further back too and bring some of the older hartnel stories into the mix upwards…i have a dalek theory too!
but thats for another time and dimension…
soon ppl

yes i have been on the TORCHWOOD site…and i think i sussed out that all the flavours of icecream denote either dr who episodes! and/or episodes featuring torchwood!….

i think some how tortchwood and badwolf are interconnected some how. my mate thinks that badwolf is to do with rose lokking into the tardis in the beggining but another one thinks that badwlof is to do with the darlics (from watching older eppisodes)

Hey people! You know the rise of the cybermen episode? If you look on the dwho site and go on da cybus game. Try that. You are meant to find a code. After you found the overall code mickey says you will need it for the end of the week. Maybe in the age of steel episode???

ok, this is just a thought…
i noticed in the rise of the cybermen episode that after peter tyler said to rose “i dunno u just feel …..right” he said to a person in the crowd “hey stan how’s it going at torchwood” which means there might be a doctor in the parralell universe cos queen victoria set it up because of the doctoR, meaning he might bump into himself. BUT in the parralell univrese there is no rose SOOOOO …. torchwood might just be an orginisation for an everyday thing like gas leaks. Just a thought

did u notice that on the womans laptop when she was in the van( the bit where mickey says we have to get in there cos that is pete tyler it had the mark on the who is doctor who website. i just noticed that so he is part f an organisation in both worlds. also i think to save the doctor and every1 mickey or rickey is going to sacrafice himself!!! just a thought

i think that maybe torchwood and bad wolf are connected sumhow because otherwise what is teh point in introducing torchwood if they are still doing bad wolf

u know i said that maybe torchwood and bad wolf are connected well maybe bad wolf is a trap set up by torchwood to catch the doctor…
thats y it is everywhere
just a thought

Does anyone reckon that the Bad Wolf will be revealed? What if its just something to distract you from an even bigger secret???
Comments plz people!

yes bad wolf will be revealed i saw on confidential or sumwhere that they will reveal wot it is at the end of this series

Oh my god! We are so close to unmasking bad wolf after all. Cheers to Tom Coates for opening up this forum anyway as we would’nt be anywhere near finding it out without him!

oh my! I just saw this on the bad wolf site. It was an update after the parting of the ways episode…
“UPDATE: The Bad Wolf was a message scattered through time by Rose after she absorbed the Vortex. It told her it wasn’t too late to save the Daleks. She said: “I am the Bad Wolf. I create myself”.”
Does this mean weve been working for nothing when all along it was the message in parting of the ways!!!!

no cos like i said it will be revealed in the end of this series meaning that it hasnt actually been reealed yet. ( did u not read my comment!!:O!! )

what is the website address for the ice cream thing?

The mllingdale ice-cream site for doctor who is http://www.millingdaleicecream.co.uk.
As the homepage starts up, look at the logo in the centre of the screen. It flashes “there coming” a few times.
Cya

on the millingdale webby they have some rely gross flavours.Also it sed that the recipe is a secret maybe that has sumfin to do with it.
i just found this it is on the doctor who website, go to the sattelite game and under the text message option instead of the video (help mickey) it says “PS: This is a message to whoever it is who keeps emailing “They’re coming” to me. I don’t know who you are but I don’t get it. Is it some kind of joke?”
so its not just in the millingdale thing.also the tune on the millingdale site is like the doctor who music isnt it. (alhough that is completely irrelivant and kind of obvious)
c u

Wow! Meccle your a genius! LOL. I didnt notice that! This message is startin to freak me out! Who could be coming?

why arent u posting any of my comments?

Well, being an old Dr. Who fan going way back, at first I thought the Bad Wolf could be a white guardian warning about minions of the black guardian.
Another possibility, a 1980’s episode of Dr. Who’s encounter with the curse of the “Wolves of Fenric” set in World War II England….funny, weren’t they just there last season?

i think that they should update the bad wolf site.

Hey again. On the episode with the devil and stuff, did u see the drawings of wolves on the wall in the pitt? I did! A drawing which looked exactly like the one on the badwolf site!!!

also how did the ppl who trapped the beast know that if he were freed there was going to be a black whole for the devil to fall into ?
hmmmmm

my friend fancies christopher eccleston no its not the 1 who wants to see david tennant in a mini kilt. thanku for allowing me to embarres him.

on the Badwolf webby, the secret message ses”r u gettin this Rose?” n in Satan Pit, The Doctor ses “Hope ur gettin this, Ida.” Bit of a long shot, mb, but still.
Also, on the wall of the pit(cave??)the Dr describes the pic as 2 races clashin, 1 man, 1 beast; n in da dr who 2006 annual it ses der is a pic on a cave wall of 2 races clashin, 1 flesh, 1 metal, n a single surviver walkin away,Underneath, in strange language it is suposed 2 say”u r not alone”
get it? both cave walls, both 2 races clashing, the strange language…
hey, praps bad wolf is the devil!!!

In the love and monsters episode, they mentioned BADWOLF!!!The absorbalof said that they cant read roses files because of some kind of badwolf virus!!!!

Bad Wolf was mentioned again in the episode ‘Love And Monsters’. The absorbalof said they couldnt read roses files because of a badwolf virus!
p.s – check my doctor who homepage–http://tardis-zone.blogspot.com

in satans pit it said that rose will die in battle , truth or not it sounds plausible since she’s leaving could this be interlinked with BAD WOLF

next ep looks intersesting.
in the preview for army of ghosts the doctor said “put that thing back in hell” and the devil said that rose would die in battle. and i think the universes have collided cos the cybermen from the parralell universe r gonna be in the next one and the doctor said they had just strolled from there world into ours.
i cant wait……….

i think bad wolf iz gonna be summet that is a big thing in da doctor who timeline, screw those who thinks its the master he is ded and buried,well not realy but he aint comin back coz i read all the plans forda second seies ,i think bad wolf will reapear in the last episodes of the second series coz its like a war between daleks and cybermen,adam cud comeback as davros it wud be cool

Just in case ne1s intrestd, heres my website:
http://mysite.orange.co.uk/doctor-who-mad.
Please luk @ it!!!

Friday, 29th of June, 2006_CE @_23:25_UTC. Hallo, Has anybody thought about The Black Guardian?? Or how about Romana?? There are a lot of “Werewolves” where we last saw her. IMHO I think that The Black Guardian is “Bad Wolf”. Thank you.

Luk @ this:
In the ninth century it’s a proper name; in the eleventh it’s a synonym for the Devil, the wodfreca werewulf against whom all shepherds should guard their flock.
u c? a synonym 4 d devil!!
Got dat frm badwolf.org.uk/revelations, click on “about werewolves”.

iz rose gonna die do ya think?

the word ‘bad wolf’ is seen in the army of ghosts game on the doctor who site!

I think bad wolf is roes and she will look into the tardis again and kill the darleks and cyber men

miiiiiiid: i dont think she wud luk in2 d heart of d tardis agen, cuz that’d b a bit borin n repetetiv. N itd b rose savin d world agen n its supposed 2 b d dr whos d hero.
du u fink d black dalek, or evn d void ship is d bad wolf. remember wot 1 of em sed:”it gets inside ur hed”. (remembr wots been sed about tardis+d face of boe getin in ur hed)

hey glad to be back…so.rose.whats gonna happen?

but she dys buy doing this
I like all ure theries +bad wolf has been sorted , the new question is wats so special about roes and why do so many secrets surround her Any ideas

u no the darlek in thee following episode is from the paralell universe + if only 3 came out of the void ship why are there so many